Originally posted by FrothByteBut Tony suffered nothing broken. He was elbowed in the face with full force and barely moved. This clearly contradicts Bucky being nearly equal to Cap in the strength department. Bruce Lee has floored humans with a 1 inch punch.
And that's why Tony got floored. Regular humans won't get floored from a punch to the chest even from a trained heavyweight if they're actively fighting back. It can hurt, and there's even a chance that it can damage your heart, but you're not getting floored like that.And considering that Tony has some degree of h2h training, that punch made it obvious that WS was superhuman in strength.
Tony has very little to no h2h training. He's an ordinary human for the most part.
Originally posted by h1a8
But Tony suffered nothing broken. He was elbowed in the face with full force and barely moved. This clearly contradicts Bucky being nearly equal to Cap in the strength department. Bruce Lee has floored humans with a 1 inch punch.Tony has very little to no h2h training. He's an ordinary human for the most part.
Tony Stark has been enhanced with super human nanotech and his skin is impervious to low caliber bullets.
Originally posted by h1a8
But Tony suffered nothing broken. He was elbowed in the face with full force and barely moved. This clearly contradicts Bucky being nearly equal to Cap in the strength department. Bruce Lee has floored humans with a 1 inch punch.Tony has very little to no h2h training. He's an ordinary human for the most part.
You obviously haven't watched IM2. And Bruce Lee? Seriously? How many fighting opponents has Bruce Lee floored with a single punch to the chest? I think you're confusing the man with his movie roles.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You obviously haven't watched IM2. And Bruce Lee? Seriously? How many fighting opponents has Bruce Lee floored with a single punch to the chest? I think you're confusing the man with his movie roles.
He used to demo his 1 inch punch to large crowds.
It was more like 3 inches.
I decided to test Bruce Lee's one inch punch out. So I went back in time to 1972, and asked him to show me. Right when he went to punch (at the first movement I saw from his fist), I slapped his face, put some coins in his other hand just so I could take them out to prove how much better I was than Bruce Lee, then I smacked his left buttock all before I went back to the original position to block his fist.
He looked right into my eyes, with utter shock. I just smirked right back at him for about 5 awkward seconds. Then I made the classic monkey "ooooooooooo!" sound that Bruce Lee usually does. Then he relaxed his face and faintly smiled and said, "awww, I see. You are a martial artist as well. I wasn't certain until you made the monkey sound."
Tony was injured after that encounter. He had visible bruising around the one eye, and his arm was in a sling (he still told BW that it was numb after the fight).
And this whole discussion is a pointless derailment. After the elbow, Tony took a human arm punch to the chest that sent him sailing back and put him down for the rest of the fight. T'Challa took an elbow and then an actual metal arm haymaker to the chest and was back on his feet and in pursuit in seconds.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You obviously haven't watched IM2. And Bruce Lee? Seriously? How many fighting opponents has Bruce Lee floored with a single punch to the chest? I think you're confusing the man with his movie roles.
Bruce demonstrated it many times.
My kung-fu master was able to do it. He floored me with the 1 inch punch.
I did see the movie. Explain what's the relevance of that movie to what we are talking about.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Tony was injured after that encounter. He had visible bruising around the one eye, and his arm was in a sling (he still told BW that it was numb after the fight).And this whole discussion is a pointless derailment. After the elbow, Tony took a human arm punch to the chest that sent him sailing back and put him down for the rest of the fight. T'Challa took an elbow and then an actual metal arm haymaker to the chest and was back on his feet and in pursuit in seconds.
Originally posted by h1a8
Bruce demonstrated it many times.
My kung-fu master was able to do it. He floored me with the 1 inch punch.
I did see the movie. Explain what's the relevance of that movie to what we are talking about.
Yeah, he demonstrated it against people who were simply standing up, not fighting him. And it sat people down, it didn't throw people across the floor like Bucky's punch did to Tony.
IM2 showed Tony training, and showed it in a way that implies he does it regularly
Originally posted by h1a8
According to you guys, An elbow to the face by someone of Cap's strength should not only break bones but kill a human (let alone ko them). The strike that floored Tony should have killed him too (if we assume Bucky is near Cap in strength and we use Cap's top strength feats like you guys like to do).
A. GTFO with that "you guys" shit. You do it more than any of the people you accuse of doing so.
B. Again, completely irrelevant discussion to the current topic, as Tony did not take a metal arm hit, like T'Challa did. Continuing to go on about it after it's already been addressed can be considered trolling and intentional thread derailment.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, he demonstrated it against people who were simply standing up, not fighting him. And it sat people down, it didn't throw people across the floor like Bucky's punch did to Tony.IM2 showed Tony training, and showed it in a way that implies he does it regularly
Isn't it odd how h1's memory lapses always seem to favor his side of a debate?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
A. GTFO with that "you guys" shit. You do it more than any of the people you accuse of doing so.B. Again, completely irrelevant discussion to the current topic, as Tony did not take a metal arm hit, like T'Challa did. Continuing to go on about it after it's already been addressed can be considered trolling and intentional thread derailment.
It is extremely relevant. My point is that movies don't use real physics when it comes to humans surviving or tanking shit. Look at my Tony example. Movie humans have survived some impossible shit without being enhanced (per the story). A human with good fighting skills (but with normal human durability) can easily tank Bucky's metal arm without much damage in a movie. So that "he tanked a metal arm" argument does not hold much evidence towards anything given how movies operate with humans in general.
Originally posted by FrothByteTony showed almost 0 h2h ability. Wth are you talking about? He used gadgets and surprise. Nothing in the movie suggests that Tony should be above a human in durability.
Yeah, he demonstrated it against people who were simply standing up, not fighting him. And it sat people down, it didn't throw people across the floor like Bucky's punch did to Tony.IM2 showed Tony training, and showed it in a way that implies he does it regularly
Originally posted by h1a8
It is extremely relevant. My point is that movies don't use real physics when it comes to humans surviving or tanking shit. Look at my Tony example. Movie humans have survived some impossible shit without being enhanced (per the story). A human with good fighting skills (but with normal human durability) can easily tank Bucky's metal arm without much damage in a movie. So that "he tanked a metal arm" argument does not hold much evidence towards anything given how movies operate with humans in general.Tony showed almost 0 h2h ability. Wth are you talking about? He used gadgets and surprise. Nothing in the movie suggests that Tony should be above a human in durability.
I've already responded to that point regarding the human body, physics, and the punches:
Originally posted by dadudemon
He used to demo his 1 inch punch to large crowds.It was more like 3 inches.
I decided to test Bruce Lee's one inch punch out. So I went back in time to 1972, and asked him to show me. Right when he went to punch (at the first movement I saw from his fist), I slapped his face, put some coins in his other hand just so I could take them out to prove how much better I was than Bruce Lee, then I smacked his left buttock all before I went back to the original position to block his fist.
He looked right into my eyes, with utter shock. I just smirked right back at him for about 5 awkward seconds. Then I made the classic monkey "ooooooooooo!" sound that Bruce Lee usually does. Then he relaxed his face and faintly smiled and said, "awww, I see. You are a martial artist as well. I wasn't certain until you made the monkey sound."
Originally posted by h1a8
Tony showed almost 0 h2h ability. Wth are you talking about? He used gadgets and surprise. Nothing in the movie suggests that Tony should be above a human in durability.
Watch the movie again. It's the scene where Hogan is training with Tony. Tony's durability is a red herring, it's not what's being discussed here. The fact that a straight punch from Bucky launched a grown man across the floor proves that Bucky has super strength. The fact that his robo arm can punch through walls, shatter concrete, block bullets and overpower Captain America is proof that his robo arm is even more powerful.
T'Challa took a direct shot from that robo arm and got right back up. There's no proof that Ozy hits as hard as that robo arm, therefore we know T'Challa has a pretty good chance of tanking Ozy's hits.
Those are the facts.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Watch the movie again. It's the scene where Hogan is training with Tony. Tony's durability is a red herring, it's not what's being discussed here. The fact that a straight punch from Bucky launched a grown man across the floor proves that Bucky has super strength. The fact that his robo arm can punch through walls, shatter concrete, block bullets and overpower Captain America is proof that his robo arm is even more powerful.T'Challa took a direct shot from that robo arm and got right back up. There's no proof that Ozy hits as hard as that robo arm, therefore we know T'Challa has a pretty good chance of tanking Ozy's hits.
Those are the facts.
Durability is not a red herring since your argument stems from the metal arm striking TChalla and not damaging him a lot (or any) in order to show Ozy not doing much damage (if any) to him.
Hitting someone across the room is the red herring since the argument is about damage, not how far someone is hit. If the metal arm would have sent TChalla flying across the room but still no damage then your argument would remain the same (no damage to prove durability).