Ranking Canon Force-Users
1. Darth Sidious
2. Luke Skywalker / Yoda
3. Luke Skywalker / Yoda
Who the fvck knows?: Snoke
4. Mace Windu / Darth Vader
5. Mace Windu / Darth Vader
6. Quinlan Vos
7. Darth Tyranus
8. Obi-Wan Kenobi
9. Ahsoka Tano
10. Darth Maul
11. Rey
12. Kylo Ren
13. Savage Opress
14. Kanan Jarrus / Qui-Gon Jinn
15. Kanan Jarrus / Qui-Gon Jinn
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Not sure how you could watch The Last Jedi and conclude that Rey is more powerful than Luke in anything but raw potential.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Honestly? Because while my eyes tell me one thing, the dialogue tells me another. Like how in the span of a week, she knows everything there is to know about a Jedi except three things. As contrived as that may be, I can't exactly override it. Consistency and all that.
That's a function of learning rate / potential, not present ability. By that logic ESB Luke > Vader already.
Originally posted by Azronger
Why is Snoke so goddamn high? Guy gets slaughtered by most of the folks here lol.1. Palpatine
2/3. Yoda/Vader
4. Anakin
5. Windu
RotJ Luke is already on Vader's level in Canon, by TLJ I don't see how people here are putting him below Windu.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, because ESB Luke still had plenty to learn, and Rey doesn't. Kylo, her equal in just about everything, too is at the end of his training. Training that was designed specifically to kill Luke.
Rey couldn't even describe the Force properly and seemed unfamiliar with even the most basic activities. If she knew so much she wouldn't have asked Luke to train her. Rey is on Kylo's level as a combatant because she has so much raw power, not because she has studied the Force in detail. Kylo being near the "end of his training" means little - you can say someone about to get their degree or whatever is near the "end" of their formal training too.
Regardless, it's still an indicator of potential/aptitude and not present power.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Rey couldn't even describe the Force properly and seemed unfamiliar with even the most basic activities. If she knew so much she wouldn't have asked Luke to train her. Rey is on Kylo's level as a combatant because she has so much raw power, not because she has studied the Force in detail. Kylo being near the "end of his training" means little - you can say someone about to get their degree or whatever is near the "end" of their formal training too.Regardless, it's still an indicator of potential/aptitude and not present power.
Originally posted by ares834
Where does he say Rey knows everything? He mentions that library does not hold anything that Rey doesn't posses. And as revealed at the end of the film, he isn't saying that because she already knows it but because she stole the books from the library.
lol soo many people missed that
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Your opinion is irrelevant. Yoda's pretty wise and knowledgeable. Much more than you. And if he says Rey knows everything, she knows everything. Kylo and Rey are supposed to have similar potentials, and no one ends their training before being ready to be masters themselves. And Darksiders only become ready to do that once they're able to defeat their masters. There's really no reason to think either Rey or Kylo are going to jump massively in power, just like there's no reason to believe Rey is light years ahead of everyone else in canon in terms of potential.
lmao if Rey had already reached/neared her peak why was she begging Luke to teach her? And why was she unable to do basic things like Force meditate properly without supervision? Assuming you're being serious, your entire case is based on the notion that "your training is complete" == "you've reached your max potential", which has no basis whatsoever in either common sense or the canon, given that Luke wasn't at his peak in RotJ, nor was Obi Wan in AotC.
Yoda saying "no more training you require" doesn't mean "omniscient you are and at 100% full power you are" cause you can still learn and practice, ofc.
Oh, and there are obvious reasons for Rey's potential to be high, like that she's explicitly a pseudo-chosen one to balance Kylo Ren and because Luke said she had lots of raw power. Which in a galaxy you'll find once in a while from a random person; there's no indication Yoda, Windu, etc. had Force-important parents.