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Well the best TK feats probably go to either Sidious (Lusankya hahaha) or Luke (TK'ing Caedus, Vader's fortress, dovin basals', etc.).

Originally posted by AncientPower
Hardly, Nihilus has the best TK feats in the mythos.

But Vitiate has scaling over the likes of the ancient Sith sorceress whose Ambria ritual surpassed Sadow using the Corsair to destroy suns. Vitiate has the fact that he went from requiring a 30 day ritual with the aid of 8,000 Sith Lords to destroy Nathema, to being able to do the same without aid or a ritual and as a mere spirit too.

Good points. He can also "cheat" death in some sense. He can survive as a spirit.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well the best TK feats probably go to either Sidious (Lusankya hahaha) or Luke (TK'ing Caedus, Vader's fortress, dovin basals', etc.).

Nihilus tore a fleet of ships out of the gravity wells and magnetic storms of Malachor V. The engines of those massive ships weren't powerful enough to escape said gravity wells nor could they even jump to hyperspace because of it. It's absolutely insane.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Nihilus tore a fleet of ships out of the gravity wells and magnetic storms of Malachor V. The engines of those massive ships weren't powerful enough to escape said gravity wells nor could they even jump to hyperspace because of it. It's absolutely insane.

But NEXUS!

It's also a little ambiguous, like IDK if he actually did it with telekinesis, whether the ships were close to the gravity well, etc.

Impressive nonetheless.

And isn't that a bit weird sounding? Nihilus is a wound in the force, I really don't imagine him being amped by the force.

He's an echo of Malachor V, even so there's no reason to assume that makes up for the fact that he goes on to absorb the Force power of numerous worlds after the fact. It's also explicitly stated that he pulls those ships out of the gravity wells, it's not ambiguous.

lol not sure if this is the place to get into another Nihilus-Malachor discussion.

Given the OP is a laughable mismatch, I wouldn't worry.

Sidious controlled the force, Valkorian abused the force and twisted it unnaturally, Nihilus was controlled by the force.

I mean, we can't underestimate Vitiate's natural connection to the force. His young ten year old daughter ****ing stopped a weapon attacking her, then ****ing ragdolled like 5-6 force sensitive knights.

Not to mention Vitiate used the force as a kid to kill a Sith Lord.

Kreia does know of Vitiate somewhat, she refers to him and his Empire "The True Sith" while she and the Sith of her and Revans regime were not "true Sith" or something like that.

But, she thinks that if Nihilus isn't stop he will devour all life in the Galaxy, however she does acknowledge Nihilus power continues to increase. Might be that Nihilus had the potential to topple even Vitiate in time.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Lol, you realise the entire Jedi High Council is slaughtered besides Thon. The era of Jedi Watchmen overseeing planets by themselves, as Baas and the like had done, was over.

Sorry, when was this and could you please provide tangible evidence thanks.

The entire Jedi Order went through a reformation as was started by Nomi and was followed through as seen in the KotOR comics; where the Covenant went overboard, was designed to prevent the rise of more dark siders. They formed a new Enclave on Dantooine from the new Jedi Council.

Please give me the details of this with full context.

You realise that even Vrook Lamar was only in his mid-fifties by KotOR, making him a child during the Great Sith War. Jolee Bindo is nearly seventy by KotOR and he was a teenager in Kun's day.

Wrong,

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vrook_Lamar

https://imgur.com/2uBLV0E

It was never given his age.

Stop trying to use a character opinion to claim Revan > Kun, when multiple sources point to Kun > Vitiate.

Yeah, I'd love Kun to be Vitiate.
But please stop flat out lying thanks.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Honestly if accolades didn't exist I'd put Nihilus above Vitiate.

What accolades put Vitiate above Nihilus?

@Az:

The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen.

---SWTOR Codex Entry

Interesting choice of words ... most dominating. This doesn't necessarily mean most powerful.

It says the Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force user the galaxy has ever seen. It does not say the Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power and become the most dominating Force user the galaxy has ever seen, or anything like that. It merely states what Vitiate wishes to be, not what he is.

this thread is a failure lmao

It's a Jmango thread - what did you expect?

Originally posted by Azronger
It says the Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force user the galaxy has ever seen. It does not say the Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power and become the most dominating Force user the galaxy has ever seen, or anything like that. It merely states what Vitiate wishes to be, not what he is.

The codex makes a very clear distinction between the two, as exampled here:

Vitiate rose to become Emperor of the Sith and ruled for over a thousand years--but only after extracting a terrible price.

--Nathema codex entry, SWTOR

The application of the infinitive in that quote only gives only two possible interpretation:

1. Slayne's one: The moment Vitiate mastered the dark side he became the most dominating force user the galaxy has ever seen.

2. A variant of Azronger's: After the moment Vitiate mastered the dark side, he'd inevitably become the most dominating force user the galaxy has ever seen.

Both of them lead to the same end result.