Wolverine vs. Black Panther

Originally posted by FrothByte
^ Doesn't really matter in the end because both combatants are not fighting with energy weapons. Cap's shield took a full hit from Mjolnir and wasn't dented. So it doesn't matter how tough you think Adamantium is, bottomline is that Wolverine won't be strong enough to penetrate vibranium... unless you'd like to claim he's stronger than Thor?

A hammer isn't a weapon to pierce.

Wolverine has been able to penetrate cement, metal, and many other materials as if it were butter.

Wolverine is super strong. His claws are also sharp and made of a metal which is ultra strong!

Conclusion: He is quite suited to pierce BP's suit.

Also, Black Panther's suit isn't pure solid Vibranium. The suit is coated with Vibranium which makes it very strong, but it ain't pure Vibranium.

So, isn't like the suit is as strong as per say Captain America's shield.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
A hammer isn't a weapon to pierce.

Wolverine has been able to penetrate cement, metal, and many other materials as if it were butter.

[B]Wolverine is super strong. His claws are also sharp and made of a metal which is ultra strong!

Conclusion: He is quite suited to pierce BP's suit.

Also, Black Panther's suit isn't pure solid Vibranium. The suit is coated with Vibranium which makes it very strong, but it ain't pure Vibranium.

So, isn't like the suit is as strong as per say Captain America's shield. [/B]

A hammer can damage armor far more easily than swords, knives or claws. If a grown man using a sledgehammer can't dent a piece of armor, then a toddler with a diamond knife isn't going to damage it either.

You still need strength to pierce or cut through something, and Wolverine has not demonstrated the strength necessary to damage vibranium, not when Thor with Mjolnir can't. Unless you're saying Wolverine is stronger than Thor?

Originally posted by FrothByte
A hammer can damage armor far more easily than swords, knives or claws. If a grown man using a sledgehammer can't dent a piece of armor, then a toddler with a diamond knife isn't going to damage it either.

You still need strength to pierce or cut through something, and Wolverine has not demonstrated the strength necessary to damage vibranium, not when Thor with Mjolnir can't. Unless you're saying Wolverine is stronger than Thor?

The troll is going to ignore everything you say. you'll notice that he is still using Wolverine's claws tanking Cyclops's blasts as some kind of feat. while ignoring that a little bit of heat weakened his claws enough that they could be easily cut through.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

Cyclops beams were unable to destroy Wolverine's Claws.

[/B]

The fact that his claws didn’t even move shows that scene was pure PIS.

To be fair now, comic book writers forget all the time that Cyclops' blasts are supposed to be pure concussive force.

So no wonder that FOX forgot/changed that, too.

Originally posted by FrothByte
^ Doesn't really matter in the end because both combatants are not fighting with energy weapons. Cap's shield took a full hit from Mjolnir and wasn't dented. So it doesn't matter how tough you think Adamantium is, bottomline is that Wolverine won't be strong enough to penetrate vibranium... unless you'd like to claim he's stronger than Thor?

Cap's shield was dented by Vibranium claws from BP!

If we take it as if Adamantium=Vibranium then Wolv's claws would penetrate BPs suit.

No. His clwas are sharp enough and long enough to penetrate BP's coated Vibranium suit.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Cap's shield was dented by Vibranium claws from BP!

If we take it as if Adamantium=Vibranium then Wolv's claws would penetrate BPs suit.

No. His clwas are sharp enough and long enough to penetrate BP's coated Vibranium suit.

I didn't see any dents. I saw the paint scratched away. There were no dents. If we assume vibranium = adamantium then it would be the same as a steel sword vs. steel armor... which normally ends up with the sword unable to penetrate the armor.

Sharp and long enough means little if you don't have the strength to penetrate the shield or armor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I didn't see any dents. I saw the paint scratched away. There were no dents. If we assume vibranium = adamantium then it would be the same as a steel sword vs. steel armor... which normally ends up with the sword unable to penetrate the armor.

Sharp and long enough means little if you don't have the strength to penetrate the shield or armor.

You'll have to forgive the troll, he hasn't quite figured out that other people have watched these movies and thus will know he's lying.

All the claws did was scratch some paint off. We've seen the paint job on the shield scuffed up plenty of times before, without the shield actually being damaged. Such as here:

Originally posted by FrothByte
I didn't see any dents. I saw the paint scratched away. There were no dents. If we assume vibranium = adamantium then it would be the same as a steel sword vs. steel armor... which normally ends up with the sword unable to penetrate the armor.

Sharp and long enough means little if you don't have the strength to penetrate the shield or armor.

The shield is made up of Vibranium whilst BP's suit is only coated in Vibranium.

So the shield's feats dont apply the same for his suit.

Black Panther did scratch the shield and lightly damage it.

https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Look-Damage-Black-Panther-Did-Captain-America-Shield-111147.html

Yeah? If he doesnt have the strength then he wouldnt be able to penetrate cement, cut steel, etc.

Black Panther's suit gets penetrated.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Cap's shield was dented by Vibranium claws from BP!

If we take it as if Adamantium=Vibranium then Wolv's claws would penetrate BPs suit.

No. His clwas are sharp enough and long enough to penetrate BP's coated Vibranium suit.

Why would we take them as equal?

Originally posted by Surtur
Why would we take them as equal?

Because there is no concrete evidence to claim either stronger than the other.

In that case, placing them as equally strong is wise.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The shield is made up of Vibranium whilst BP's suit is only coated in Vibranium.

So the shield's feats dont apply the same for his suit.

Black Panther did scratch the shield and lightly damage it.

https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Look-Damage-Black-Panther-Did-Captain-America-Shield-111147.html

Yeah? If he doesnt have the strength then he wouldnt be able to penetrate cement, cut steel, etc.

Black Panther's suit gets penetrated.

You're the one comparing adamantium to vibranium, I just followed your logic. Yes, BP's suit is not solid vibranium, but to be honest we don't exactly know how it is made other than it is vibranium.

BP scratched the paint off Cap's shield, there is no evidence to point that he actually damaged it.

Cement and steel are not as tough as Vibranium. Just because he has the strength to damage cement and steel doesn't mean he has the strength to damage vibranium. Again, Thor was unable to damage vibranium, and Wolverine is nowhere near as strong as Thor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're the one comparing adamantium to vibranium, I just followed your logic. Yes, BP's suit is not solid vibranium, but to be honest we don't exactly know how it is made other than it is vibranium.

BP scratched the paint off Cap's shield, there is no evidence to point that he actually damaged it.

Cement and steel are not as tough as Vibranium. Just because he has the strength to damage cement and steel doesn't mean he has the strength to damage vibranium. Again, Thor was unable to damage vibranium, and Wolverine is nowhere near as strong as Thor.

The whole reason of such is because you are claiming that Wolv's claws couldnt penetrate BP's suit.

Again, BP suit gets penetrated.

1. Its not pure solid Vibranium like Caps shield.
2. Thor didnt had Ad Claws. So, you cant compare Thor with Wolv.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The whole reason of such is because you are claiming that Wolv's claws couldnt penetrate BP's suit.

Again, BP suit gets penetrated.

1. Its not pure solid Vibranium like Caps shield.
2. Thor didnt had Ad Claws. So, you cant compare Thor with Wolv.

Hammers have a far easier time of denting armor than sharp objects are able to pierce or cut them. If Mjolnir backed by Thor's strength can't even put a dent in Cap's shield then there's no way Wolverine has the strength to stab or cut through it, adamantium claws or not.

And though BP's suit is not a solid rigid piece like Cap's shield there is no indication that it is any weaker. It has not been damaged by anything thrown at it - including Cap's shield. So if you want to claim that it's weaker then you'll need to back it up with screen feats.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hammers have a far easier time of denting armor than sharp objects are able to pierce or cut them. If Mjolnir backed by Thor's strength can't even put a dent in Cap's shield then there's no way Wolverine has the strength to stab or cut through it, adamantium claws or not.

And though BP's suit is not a solid rigid piece like Cap's shield there is no indication that it is any weaker. It has not been damaged by anything thrown at it - including Cap's shield. So if you want to claim that it's weaker then you'll need to back it up with screen feats.

Except i never claimed that Wolv's claws could penetrate Cap's shield. I said that Wolv's claws would pen BP's suit.

Lack of feats doesnt make it invulnerable/undestructible.

If Cap's shield which is stronger than BP's suit got scratched by Vib claws, then its reasonable to claim than AD claws would pen BP's suit.

It's logic. BP's suit isnt pure solid Vib like Cap's shield.

Therefore Cap's Shield》》BP's suit.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Except i never claimed that Wolv's claws could penetrate Cap's shield. I said that Wolv's claws would pen BP's suit.

Lack of feats doesnt make it invulnerable/undestructible.

If Cap's shield which is stronger than BP's suit got scratched by Vib claws, then its reasonable to claim than AD claws would pen BP's suit.

It's logic. BP's suit isnt pure solid Vib like Cap's shield.

Therefore Cap's Shield》》BP's suit.

Pretty sure you already made a claim that Adamantium claws can damage vibranium, and that includes Cap's shield. But I'm too lazy to find your post so I'll take you at your word.

Still doesn't change the fact that BP's suit was never shown any weaker than Cap's shield nor the fact that Cap's shield never got damaged. When will you realize that paint damage is not the same as the actual shield getting damaged?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Pretty sure you already made a claim that Adamantium claws can damage vibranium, and that includes Cap's shield. But I'm too lazy to find your post so I'll take you at your word.

Still doesn't change the fact that BP's suit was never shown any weaker than Cap's shield nor the fact that Cap's shield never got damaged. When will you realize that paint damage is not the same as the actual shield getting damaged?

Did you read the Link i posted in my previous reply?

The shield got damaged.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Did you read the Link i posted in my previous reply?

The shield got damaged.

Yeah I read the article, so what? That article is not an authority on what's canon to MCU movies. In fact, that article was written even before the movie came out, so majority of what it was saying was mostly theories and ideas.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah I read the article, so what? That article is not an authority on what's canon to MCU movies. In fact, that article was written even before the movie came out, so majority of what it was saying was mostly theories and ideas.

The movie depicted the Shield damaged!! Period!

Anything besides that falls under speculation!

The movie wanted to show how powerful BP was, which they did by damaging Cap's shield with his claws! Even Steve was surprised when that happened!

If it was only the paint removed or if it was a deep wound into the Shield, That's speculation!

The movie didnt show any official information on how deep the damage was. The movie just showed a damaged shield!