Darth Plagueis vs Dark Revan
The Combatants:
The Mad Scientist
VERSUS
The Mad Crusader
Rules:
- No amps.
- No BFRs.
- Both Bloodlusted.
ROUND ONE:
Lightsaber dueling only.
Arena:
ROUND TWO:
Force only.
Arena:
ROUND THREE:
All-out.
Arena:
Which cancer of the Force triumphs over-all?
I'd appreciate genuine arguments.
Plagueis.
1. Plagueis blurb, you can't dismiss it out of hand because Chee said an author could make it subjective if they wanted to, there's no indication this one is.
2. Plagueis is similar to TPM Sidious < RotS Sidious while Darth Revan < Revan < Revan 2.0 < Revan 3.0 < Vitiate < RotS Sidious.
3. Unbalancing the Force feat.
4. Honestly better combat feats, vaporizing squads of soldiers with unamped TK.
The question was about Plagueis being the most powerful Sith until his time. Chee responded by dismissing the blurb as having a license to be subjective; essentially, that they can make claims that aren't fact. Secondly, the publishing company placed the blurb there, Luceno himself makes no such assertions and regularly muses that Plagueis may well be inferior to his predecessors from the Sith's own POV.
Also, he unbalanced the Force via meditation and with aid of an equally powerful Sith. Not exactly a feat you can credit him with as an indication of his raw power.
Besides that, carry on.
Plagueis wins Force, at the very least.
He was powerful enough to involuntarily emit a shockwave that shook the stars upon dying. Revan doesn't get that, nor scaling off of TPM Sidious.
Also,
Originally posted by The Ellimist
4. Honestly better combat feats, vaporizing squads of soldiers with unamped TK.
Plagueis wins sabers via feats like training Palpatine and beating him in sparring matches for pure skill, punching through armor with his bare hands while in a horrendous condition and far before his prime for strength, and running so fast that droids have trouble perceiving him and general proximity to TPM Palpatine who has speedblitzed Maul for speed. Revan has no comparable feats in any category.
Plagueis stomps the Force round via feats like being able to touch the minds of every single living thing in the galaxy, causing global weather phenomena on Naboo with his power, meriting the attention and direct intervention of the Force itself due to his power, overpowering the will of the Force itself and unbalancing the galaxy to the dark side for overall power; being able to block lightsaber hits without even hand gestures and create fortress-sized Force Barriers via Banite scaling, rendering him virtually untouchable, for Force defence; being able to manipulate midi-chlorians and gain a godlike scope of abilities like command over life and death on his fingertips, infinite regeneration without even erecting active Force defences and so on for OP hax; etc. Plagueis is orders of magnitude beyond anyone before him.
Plagueis stomps all out via one-shotting Revan right off the batvwith his overwhelming power, or by swiftly and deftly outdueling him with superior skill, strength and speed.
Originally posted by slayne
Gonna need a quote for this. 😬
And so he had stretched out—indeed, as if invisible, transubstantiated—to inform every being of his existence, and impact all of them: Muunoid or insectoid, secure or dispossessed, free or enslaved. A warrior waving a banner in triumph on a battlefield. A ghost infiltrating a dream.
But ultimately to no end. The Force grew silent, as if in flight from him, and many of the animals in his laboratory succumbed to horrifying diseases.
Darth Plagueis
Originally posted by AncientPower
The question was about Plagueis being the most powerful Sith until his time. Chee responded by dismissing the blurb as having a license to be subjective; essentially, that they can make claims that aren't fact.
That's not at all what happened lol, firstly Chee didn't actually make any claim to the specific quote despite being asked about it but instead just briefly discussed the general canonicity of blurbs, secondly "license to be subjective" doesn't mean "complete b*llshit". You realize that authors also have the license to be subjective in the actual text itself too, right? That doesn't mean you can just dismiss every novel out of hand.
Secondly, the publishing company placed the blurb there, Luceno himself makes no such assertions and regularly muses that Plagueis may well be inferior to his predecessors from the Sith's own POV.
Uh, actually Plagueis makes those musings before he gets midichlorian manipulation and figures how to overcome his lack of innate sorcery ability, and then at the end of the book Sidious wonders whether the Force had ever been so strong in anyone but himself. No contradiction there.
Also, he unbalanced the Force via meditation and with aid of an equally powerful Sith. Not exactly a feat you can credit him with as an indication of his raw power.
Ahahaha ok well then we should apply this criteria consistently if you're going to do so now. In either case, Sith more powerful than Revan like Vitiate had plenty of time to meditate and plenty of help + nexuses but could never replicate that feat despite its obvious benefits.
Ahahaha ok well then we should apply this criteria consistently if you're going to do so now. In either case, Sith more powerful than Revan like Vitiate had plenty of time to meditate and plenty of help + nexuses but could never replicate that feat despite its obvious benefits
Despite the fact that, the conditions for Vitiate/Revan weren't the same considering the Galaxy was already tipped into the dark, meaning their was not much point in causing an imbalancing Ritual which in Plageuis/Sidious's case the galaxy had spent the past millenium in lightness, and we all the know the force strives for balance, not to mention Plagueis had Sidious helping him.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
That's not at all what happened lol, firstly Chee didn't actually make any claim to the specific quote despite being asked about it but instead just briefly discussed the general canonicity of blurbs, secondly "license to be subjective" doesn't mean "complete b*llshit". You realize that authors also have the license to be subjective in the actual text itself too, right? That doesn't mean you can just dismiss every novel out of hand.
Secondly; that blurb was planted by the publisher on the back cover of the original print of the novel. However, reprint of the same novel feature a different blurb on its back cover from the same publisher. Therefore, no consistency in such promotion. Nonetheless, context behind the hype of Darth Plagueis is his midichlorian manipulation talent.
Third; author of the novel did not bother to rank Darth Plagueis because this was not essential to his storytelling.
Objectively, there isn't a sound case for Darth Plagueis to be ranked above Vitiate, even at par.