The Butcher (Wanted) vs Ozymandias (Watchmen)

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't really care about the challenge (win or lose) as it doesn't have anything to do who is faster here (which can determine the winner).

An bullet object moving at slow motion towards you with your hands right there in the path then it is EXTREMELY EASY to swat the bullet out of the way.

It has to do with a claim that you made. You have two choices, you can either retract the claim or accept the challenge.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It has to do with a claim that you made. You have two choices, you can either retract the claim or accept the challenge.

I choose to do neither.
Ozy's feat was more impressive, he was also faster, and I don't accept the challenge.

Originally posted by h1a8
I choose to do neither.
Ozy's feat was more impressive, he was also faster, and I don't accept the challenge.

I challenge you to a BZ. Do you accept?

Originally posted by Silent Master
I challenge you to a BZ. Do you accept?

Nope. There is nothing worthwhile to gain for my time.

Batting a pellet with a cleaver in front is easier than catching a pellet the way Ozy did with his hands starting at his sides

IOW, you know your wrong.

Time is such a BS excuse, because H1 clearly has no problem giving up his time to post the same crap, for page after page after page, in any of the other threads (hell, he has been going since the first page of this one). If he genuinely cared about getting the most value for time, he would be for a BZ, as it would cut out a lot of needless back and forth.

Instead, he would rather drag out pointless, circular discussions (which wastes everyone else's time) than get to a point from where a discussion can move forward.

And any further response he makes, after it is clear just repeating his opinion over and over isn't going to achieve any notable result, while also continuing to avoid a BZ, proves my point.

He knows he's full of shit that's all. And a BZ would confirm what everybody knows while also making him lose a straight up challenge. Can't lose if you say you're always right and never back yourself up. Its a cowards game bit somebody's gotta play I guess lol.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Time is such a BS excuse, because H1 clearly has no problem giving up his time to post the same crap, for page after page after page, in any of the other threads (hell, he has been going since the first page of this one). If he genuinely cared about getting the most value for time, he would be for a BZ, as it would cut out a lot of needless back and forth.

Instead, he would rather drag out pointless, circular discussions (which wastes everyone else's time) than get to a point from where a discussion can move forward.

Of course he's lying, doing a BZ would take far less time than arguing about it for pages in these threads.

His real reason for turning down BZ's. he knows that he'll lose.

Yup. The thing is, he might think he is saving face, but it actually just makes him look like a posturing coward.

He's like the guy who claims they can beat anyone in a fight, but always has an excuse not to fight when push comes to shove.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yup. The thing is, he might think he is saving face, but it actually just makes him look like a posturing coward.

He's like the guy who claims they can beat anyone in a fight, but always has an excuse not to fight when push comes to shove.

IIRC hasn't h1 talked about his "fight training" several times, or was that a different poster?

Originally posted by Silent Master
IIRC hasn't h1 talked about his "fight training" several times, or was that a different poster?

Among other things, he has claimed that he is an expert in wrestling. Yet he also said, in the Bane vs Winter Soldier thread, that he doesn't really understand grappling (when I pointed out how Bucky could grapple with Steve without getting ragdolled, he brought up some silly argument about grappling with a gf or some shit and being unable to outmuscle her and not knowing why). So, how anyone can claim to be an expert on a fighting style that largely involves grappling, yet claim to not really understand grappling, is one of those mysteries.

A BZ is a waste of time.
1. Bias judges (against me)
2. Does nothing to prove who wins the fight.
3. A slow motion pellet coming at you with your two cleavers in the guard and it is extremely easy to knock them out of air (by batting them with the flat side).

The judges who go over ACTUAL FACTS/FEATS/EVIDENCE and not whatever you pull out of your ass are biased? Of course it seems biased when you, ya know, don't have any actual evidence to support your claim, and you simply invent new shit each time to keep your nonsensical argument going.

You're a Math teacher, right? If a student said, 4+4=27. Would you agree with him because he says according to him, and a set of rules he invented, that's what it is? He will not show proof of why. He will not accept any other answer than he is right. But he has no proof. He thinks he's right and anyone who disagrees is wrong despite evidence. Do you just listen to him? Despite there being proof that 4+4 is in fact not 27, but 8? Or would you call your student out on his bullshit?

1) The judges haven't been picked yet, so your claims of judge bias is laughable
2) It proves who is right about a piece of evidence, which helps move the dabte along. so this was another laughable claim from you.
3) Prove that the Butcher's feat was extremely easy to perform.

Originally posted by KingD19
The judges who go over ACTUAL FACTS/FEATS/EVIDENCE and not whatever you pull out of your ass are biased? Of course it seems biased when you, ya know, don't have any actual evidence to support your claim, and you simply invent new shit each time to keep your nonsensical argument going.

You're a Math teacher, right? If a student said, 4+4=27. Would you agree with him because he says according to him, and a set of rules he invented, that's what it is? He will not show proof of why. He will not accept any other answer than he is right. But he has no proof. He thinks he's right and anyone who disagrees is wrong despite evidence. Do you just listen to him? Despite there being proof that 4+4 is in fact not 27, but 8? Or would you call your student out on his bullshit?

I use sound reasoning, math, science, etc to support my argument.
I don't make anything up. Everything can be verified by speaking with an expert (physicist, etc).

Originally posted by h1a8
A lack of intelligence will cause you to come to the conclusion that you have come to.

I use sound reasoning, math, science, etc to support my argument.
I don't make anything up. Everything can be verified by speaking with an expert (physicist, etc).

Then accept the BZ and prove it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then accept the BZ and prove it.

So, I see the guy who apparently doesn't have time for a BZ has more time for some more empty, meaningless posturing.

And of course, he will come with his BS "bias" excuse (even though no one has been picked yet) to try and weasel out of it. But of course, I forgot. According to H1, there is a conspiracy on KMC against him, where we have all apparently decided to doctor any BZ etc. H1 might get involved in, in order to make sure he loses (irrespective of our own views on the actual BZ topic). Because, you know, we all consider H1 that important and worth that much effort lol. 😆

Seriously, the lengths this guy will go to is priceless.

I will say that the fact that he so easily assumes dishonesty on the part of others, with regards to the BZ and judges, says more about his own character and level of trustworthiness, and his own likely willingness to resort to that kind of thing if given a change, than anyone else.

Also, LOL at the guy who got stumped by a small typo questioning the intelligence of anyone else here.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So, I see the guy who apparently doesn't have time for a BZ has more time for some more empty, meaningless posturing.

And of course, he will come with his BS "bias" excuse (even though no one has been picked yet) to try and weasel out of it. But of course, I forgot. According to H1, there is a conspiracy on KMC against him, where we have all apparently decided to doctor any BZ etc. H1 might get involved in, in order to make sure he loses (irrespective of our own views on the actual BZ topic). Because, you know, we all consider H1 that important and worth that much effort lol. 😆

Seriously, the lengths this guy will go to is priceless.

I will say that the fact that he so easily assumes dishonesty on the part of others, with regards to the BZ and judges, says more about his own character and level of trustworthiness, and his own likely willingness to resort to that kind of thing if given a change, than anyone else.

Also, LOL at the guy who got stumped by a small typo questioning the intelligence of anyone else here.

Notice how he is trying to float the idea that the Butcher caught the bullets on the flat of the blade instead of the edge, it's like he doesn't think we'll notice his attempts at downplaying the feat. Just like he also ignores that the Butcher was making large swings. so his implication that the Butcher barely needed to move the blades is pure BS.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Notice how he is trying to float the idea that the Butcher caught the bullets on the flat of the blade instead of the edge, it's like he doesn't think we'll notice his attempts at downplaying the feat. Just like he also ignores that the Butcher was making large swings. so his implication that the Butcher barely needed to move the blades is pure BS.

I also noticed his latest tactic for avoiding the burden of proof on his claims. Says what he claims is reasoned fact, and then basically says, if you don't believe him, go speak to an "expert" lol. Anyone here can claim that their personal opinion is supported by a fictitious person who isn't present in the discussion. So, all he is doing is making himself look even more desperate and cowardly.

I mean I could say the Butcher's feat is better, based on math, science and deductive reasoning, and that a professional would support it, and there would be nothing H1 can say (well, not justifiably, but I am sure he will anyway), considering he hasn't provided any evidence other than his opinion on the matter, and refuses to take it to BZ.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Notice how he is trying to float the idea that the Butcher caught the bullets on the flat of the blade instead of the edge, it's like he doesn't think we'll notice his attempts at downplaying the feat. Just like he also ignores that the Butcher was making large swings. so his implication that the Butcher barely needed to move the blades is pure BS.

Prove that he hit the bullet solely on the edge of the blade, with no contact with the flat part.

The big (opinionated word) swings still happened with his arms up in front and ready to go.