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Originally posted by Nephthys
Shortly before RotS Dooku force pushed Anakin and Obi-Wan backwards with 1 hand while also knocking over a dozen people, with them actively trying to block it.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. George Lucas created the tier system so that Nick Gillard would have an idea on what to do for the fights and character styles.The tier system would be G-Canon.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The stated reason for the tier systems:"How does one quantify fighting prowess, and does such a quantity have any practical value? When Stunt Coordinator and Sword Master Nick Gillard sets down to script a lightsaber duel, he needs to have some guage as to how competent the combatants are. On equal-footing, such ranking could easily determine the victor."
It has little to do with stunts. It's perfect for something like forum debates.
It literally says he just uses it to create the stunts. The tier system is merely used to manage the stunt coordination and Lucas has never officiated it. It has no official place in any kind of canon. That quote you posted changes nothing about Gillards lack of authority to dictate canon.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
(More posts on last page.)This isn't true. They resisted the attack. That's what it looks like in Canon when you resist a TK attack (reaffirmed in Vader comic).
Of course they resisted it to an extent. But the fact remains that they were pushed back several feet despite resisting him combined. In fact when it cuts back to them it shows that they've been forced to their knees.
And yet RotS Anakin rivals Sidious, the guy who choked Dooku out from across the galaxy and ragdolled Maul and Savage at once? I don't think so.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It literally says he just uses it to create the stunts. The tier system is merely used to manage the stunt coordination and Lucas has never officiated it. It has no official place in any kind of canon. That quote you posted changes nothing about Gillards lack of authority to dictate canon.
Anything Lucas makes, including "unpublished notes," is considered canonical. In this case, the tier systems are outright published.
This has nothing to do with Nick Gillard whatsoever. It's all about George.
I'll get back to your other point when I have access to my computer.
If you want to debate G-Canon isn't a thing, then we can discuss that, but this is a different conversation.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Also, the differences between each tier get progressively more massive the higher you get. So Vader hitting tier 10 repeatedly is far beyond anything ROTS Sidious has to claim. The only argument is how much did Sheev really grow afterwards.For all the arguments against Knightfall Vader, I've still yet to see anything beyond Mastery of the Force arguments. Which are neither genuine in terms of accolades nor really relevant.
Knightfall Vader is still the GOAT.
How does that prove anything? Luke and Sidious aren't bound to PT-era comparisons.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
... what? Tier 10 exists in the final version.
Source: http://www.theforce.net/episode3/jtf/palpatine.asp
Level nine, the highest level of lightsaber fighting, is occupied by a small number of capable sword masters, including Yoda and Darth Sidious. At so high a ranking, it comes down to individual fighting styles as well as the circumstances of the surroundings that make a difference.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Source: http://www.theforce.net/episode3/jtf/palpatine.asp
The actual site that TFN got that from does not read like that:
For the curious, Gillard does not reveal any Jedi who has achieved level ten. The highest is nine, occupied by a small number of capable sword masters, including Yoda and Darth Sidious. At so high a ranking, it comes down to individual fighting styles as well as the circumstances of the surroundings that make a difference.
Now, shoo, shoo.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
They use the Richter scale, which only goes up to ten.So it's impossible for Luke to be substantially above someone like Anakin, who's nudged very close to 10.
There's no inherent reason why a logarithmic scale would cap at 10, it's just that no earthquake has ever warranted something beyond that.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm pretty sure Gillard has said 10 = absolute perfection, but I'll get back to you on that.
Well he also said 8-9 "shouldn't exist" right? Besides, if this is overall ability and not technical skill, you can't get to absolute perfection unless if you literally have infinite power.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well he also said 8-9 "shouldn't exist" right?
I'll get back to you on everything. I'm going to check out his interviews now.
Besides, if this is overall ability and not technical skill, you can't get to absolute perfection unless if you literally have infinite power.
Sounds legit - and further supports by argument that ROTS Anakin is rapidly racing toward the finish line. 👆