Originally posted by Beniboybling
And the Republic was at stake because of Sidious, it had everything to do with him.
Right, but if I was to put any other opponent in that same situation with identical stakes, Mace would still be motivated to fight to the best of his ability.
Being motivated to fight at your best isn't an external amplification, and we're looking at these combatants at their best, not when they aren't sufficiently motivated.
And be consistent. If fighting at your best is an external amplification, then you have to accept Yoda scaling off of Sidious as bogus because Yoda was also explicitly stated to be fighting for more than his life vs Sidious.
Originally posted by samappo
Yeah, maybe for a full 5-10 seconds before being completely overwhelmed.
You can think what you will of forumers who disagree with you, but there's no getting around the word of god, Mace can factually compete with Sidious. Mace losing does not contradict this. There's also Mace factually bordering on Sidious's level, and being favorably compared to Yoda multiple times.
That's more than enough to place him above Plagueis who's confined to being considerably less powerful than TPM Sidious.
Mace Windu.
My case for him was made on page 1.
There's also some good arguments for him here:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/mace-windu-vs-darth-plageuis-1627967/?page=2
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/mace-windu-vs-darth-plageuis-1627967/?page=3
Nova's remains the best though:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/revan-shadow-of-revan-vs-mace-windu-1780635/?page=1
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Also, regarding Mace vs Plagueis, I feel like people are overlooking Plagueis' midi-chlorian manipulation. Yes, if we assume Mace can contend with Palpatine, he is above Plagueis in power, but Plagueis can circumvent that with by taking control of Mace's midi-chlorians. Literally, he can bypass any power gap and mentally dominate his adversary, strip them of their Force power completely, or kill them outright.
Plagueis could simply will Mace to die by killing his midi-chlorians, which he noted was far easier than creating new midi-chlorians. The latter he could achieve faster than Sidious' Force Lightning was able to kill him, so in a fraction of a second. If that's harder than willing someone to die, then he could accomplish killing someone in an even shorter time. Mace would die in less than a second; Plagueis would merely require a stray thought to accomplish it.
Same applies for Valkorion, too. His physical vessel is defenceless against Plagueis tampering with its midi-chlorians. He would either dominate Valkorion or just kill his body. As for his spirit, it can't - despite what many may believe - sustain itself outside a nexus, so it would dissipate on its own without Plagueis requiring to do anything.
Proof for Plagueis formidability can be found in my essay which everyone should read before commenting on the victor of this match.