Valkorion vs. Nihilus

Implying the Ones are Force users. Kek.

Haschwalth, I have no idea what the fvck you're talking about, but Nihilus was literally beyond Meetra's comprehension throughout the game. It's a clear contradiction to use her praise for Revan to rank him above Nihilus when the last time she ever saw him to measure his power was pre-Malachor V. Since then Nihilus' power clearly dwarfs the possibilities she concieved through prior experience, including the aforementioned Revan incarnation.

There's no argument there, nor does a feats comparison do you any favors.

Their species is literally called Force wielders. All the quotes about Darth Sidious claim that he was the most powerful Sith.

Any Force-user can be referred to as a Force-wielder. Galen Marek was stated to be a Force-wielder in the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia for example.

I'm just pointing out that they do use the Force.

In the Revan novel it is stated that Revan's mastery of the Force is greater than any she has known. She doesn't know the extent of Nihilus' power, personally. She isn't familiar with him.
AP is right. She was talking about Revan's command of the Force.
Not to mention that Drew hated KotOR 2 and the Wound in the Force concept.

Revan's command of the Force would be vastly superior to that of Darth Nihilus. However, Darth Nihilus is powerful in a different context.

See my rebuttal in https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/darth-nihilus-runs-the-vitiate-gauntlet-1919490/?page=1#js-message-19694903

Not trying to lowball Darth Nihilus but certain things should be clear to all.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Implying the Ones are Force users. Kek.

Haschwalth, I have no idea what the fvck you're talking about, but Nihilus was literally beyond Meetra's comprehension throughout the game. It's a clear contradiction to use her praise for Revan to rank him above Nihilus when the last time she ever saw him to measure his power was pre-Malachor V. Since then Nihilus' power clearly dwarfs the possibilities she concieved through prior experience, including the aforementioned Revan incarnation.

There's no argument there, nor does a feats comparison do you any favors.

So she just had no grasp on what power it took to pull off said feats, Revan never had a need to raze a planet via the force, in fact Revan killed only out of necessity, meaning he would never do such a thing. again, she had not felt Nihilus's power at the time of that quote meaning she has no grasp on what It took to do such a thing.
Thus it cannot be applicable to Revan.

And actually they do considering Revan believed at Vitiate's level of power he could pull off another Nathema type, without the ritual. Yet he fairly challenged him, on an uneven playing field, and still had futures with his victory.

Anyway, you Nihilus wankers love to ignore context of the Kotor series overall, (a God like being)was being/hinted hyped throughout Kotor 1 and 2, which turned out to be Vitiate, Kotor 3 or Revan's novel/Swtor. Meaning via context Vitiate is the ultimate sith, within the story, as proven with Revan/meetra's defeat. He contextually is the top character of the Series, Nihilus/Malak they were precursors to Vitiate, even chris states, the 3rd kotor would of reached, a Nihilus type playing field with shaping planets etc, which it sort of did in respect to Vitiate. Why would a side villian with in the context of the entires series be stronger than, the main.

Sorry but the Context, feats(Nathema/900 years in strength increase), and straight up accolades, favor Novel Vitiate, and in Return Revan, with him competing with Vitiate. Both who grow even stronger with the events of SWTOR.

NIhilus doesn't stand a chance tbh.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
In the Revan novel it is stated that Revan's mastery of the Force is greater than any she has known. She doesn't know the extent of Nihilus' power, personally. She isn't familiar with him.
AP is right. She was talking about Revan's command of the Force.
Not to mention that Drew hated KotOR 2 and the Wound in the Force concept.

http://i.imgur.com/55DtBVC.png
http://i.imgur.com/lLrAEYn.png

These seem to clearly indicate it was referring, that they go hand in hand.
AS Scourge clearly repeats it as Raw Power, after stating command/connection. Within context regarding to Meetras belief that scourge would gush over his power.

Traya talks about the "True Sith" who make the remnants of Revans Empire aka the Sith Triumaritive look like nothing.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Traya talks about the "True Sith" who make the remnants of Revans Empire aka the Sith Triumaritive look like nothing.

FFS, the entire argument of Revan > Nihilus is based on Surik's POV.

Originally posted by AncientPower
FFS, the entire argument of Revan > Nihilus is based on Surik's POV.

There is plenty of substance.

Vitiate is portrayed as Nihilus 2.0 tbqh.

Kreia states that Nihilus is transcendant and yet she believes his path to the dark side is nihilistic and empty. There's no power in what he does because it's never enough. She fully believes he's an embodiment of hunger who is destined to inevitably die. Revan is conventional raw power. Hence the difference.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Kreia states that Nihilus is transcendant and yet she believes his path to the dark side is nihilistic and empty. There's no power in what he does because it's never enough. She fully believes he's an embodiment of hunger who is destined to inevitably die. Revan is conventional raw power. Hence the difference.

Nah, it's because she believes the power is not his to aim, or use anymore. Even though he harnesses an immense amount of Power.

"Power? Do you think so? No, there's no power in the strength that one possesses. And it's power controls him, not the other way around."

"It is an empty road to the dark side, that's why he and those like him must be stopped. And their teachings must never be learned again."

That's pretty damning evidence. Revan she considers most powerful because he's not like the others. His is real strength and the knowledge of how to correctly apply it. The Exile became her greatest student because she learned to live without the Force, and then in defeating her, becoming more powerful than her, she achieved what the others couldn't. Surik learned the higher mysteries without being beholden to flawed dogma. Just like Revan.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I'd say Nihilus is on par with novel Vitiate.

He isn't.

The ritual had obviously destroyed Nathema, snuffing out all life on the world. Lord Vitiate had offered his people hope and instead had brought them a fate worse than death—utter eradication of life, existence, and even the Force.

Meetra was no expert on dark side sorcery, but it was safe to assume Vitiate not only survived the ritual but emerged more powerful than ever. And with the destruction of everyone on Nathema—including his research team—he alone would have known the location of Dromund Kaas. The plan was both horrifying and brilliant. In addition to becoming more powerful than Meetra could imagine.
- Revan

Meetra seems to really struggle with comprehending power Tbh.