Originally posted by AncientPower
Your argument for Revan > Nihilus doesn't.
He had to bring about his power to force Revan out of using his lightsaber to repel his quick bolts. A few seconds of charging forced Revan to adopt a Tutaminis defensive but it completely overwhelmed him and he was left cooking on the ground, about to die. Both T3 and Surik had to interfere to save his life. The first time Revan faced him, with Malak in support, it wasn't even a fight. Vitiate swatted him and there was nearly no growth for Vitiate between those two engagements.
The Meetra statement also obviously refers to literal command of the Force, or she wouldn't have thought Nihilus surface wiping Katarr to be beyond the powers of Jedi. Only for her to realise that even a starved Nihilus was even more godly than that. Let alone Nihilus at full strength.
Originally posted by AncientPower
He had to bring about his power to force Revan out of using his lightsaber to repel his quick bolts. A few seconds of charging forced Revan to adopt a Tutaminis defensive but it completely overwhelmed him and he was left cooking on the ground, about to die. Both T3 and Surik had to interfere to save his life. The first time Revan faced him, with Malak in support, it wasn't even a fight. Vitiate swatted him and there was nearly no growth for Vitiate between those two engagements.The Meetra statement also obviously refers to literal command of the Force, or she wouldn't have thought Nihilus surface wiping Katarr to be beyond the powers of Jedi. Only for her to realise that even a starved Nihilus was even more godly than that. Let alone Nihilus at full strength.
He was put flat on his ass twice, then he realized mediocre attacks wouldn't suffice, And charged his lightning(building up his force power), Revan on a disavantaged Playing field had less time to channel his tutamini's to meet Vitiate's power, Vitiate with several advantages(More time to build up energy, DS nexus, Revan not in peak condition)then slightly overwhelmed him, Revan casually bent back Incinerating level Lightning at Nyriss incinerating her, think if he can do that with lightning a tier below him, You would think that Vitiate could with Revan, but he couldn't because Revan is within his tier.
Think about it this way, Nyriss can casually incinerate Humans, her lightning managed to break her barrier incinerating her, from when revan reflected that energy. Vitate only barely managed to overwhelm Revan's tutamini's, leaving a small enough amount of energy for Revan to physically tank, but when comparing it to lower tier force user, who have straight up incinerated their opponents, you would think Vitiate could do the same to Revan, but that is not the case.
Yeah the emperor was vulnerable to a ****ing Droid incinerating him, sort of indicates, his full power/attention was focused on Revan. Cute, don't even compare Mando Revan to Darth Revan/Kotor Revan let alone Novel Revan. He was Far more powerful than he was during then. That ain't an argument.
She felt NIhilus's full power try drain her, it would be near impossible for her not feel her opponent attacking her's strength.
She never knew, what sort of energy was required to be able to harness such a technique. This Circular reasoning of yours is annoying. already dealt with this.
@Haschwalth
An environment strong in the Dark Side does not negate Revan's strength. Revan is sort of unique in his ability to utilize both Light and Dark sides of the Force to his advantage.
I believe that Revan had edge over any Jedi in the setting where he fought Vitiate.
Originally posted by darthbane77
Valkorion bests Nihilus, if somewhat narrowly. Depending on whether or not Valk is a Force Wound, which I believe he is.
Originally posted by Haschwalth
http://i.imgur.com/55DtBVC.png
http://i.imgur.com/lLrAEYn.pngThese seem to clearly indicate it was referring, that they go hand in hand.
AS Scourge clearly repeats it as Raw Power, after stating command/connection. Within context regarding to Meetras belief that scourge would gush over his power.
You just proved that Meetra was referring to Revan's Force Mastery and his knowledge and properly to apply it.
Anyways, by the time she faced him, he was extremely weakened.
And, Legend, where does it say that Revan can control both sides of the Force mutually at perfection? That's impossible. Either light or darkness would be more in his very being. One side would always 'dominate' a person. Yes, no one is perfect. You can have both light and darkness within you; but one will always dominate the other.
Originally posted by AncientPower
He isn't.quote:
"The ritual had obviously destroyed Nathema, snuffing out all life on the world. Lord Vitiate had offered his people hope and instead had brought them a fate worse than death—utter eradication of life, existence, and even the Force.Meetra was no expert on dark side sorcery, but it was safe to assume Vitiate not only survived the ritual but emerged more powerful than ever. And with the destruction of everyone on Nathema—including his research team—he alone would have known the location of Dromund Kaas. The plan was both horrifying and brilliant. In addition to becoming more powerful than Meetra could imagine."
- Revan
1. Meetra assumes that Vitiate's own power magnified relative to himself after he absorbed Medriaas' life-force and Force energy; she wasn't making any comparison to other Force users.
2. I fail to see why Meetra's point of view even matters? She clearly didn't face a fully fed Nihilus. And Nihilus was stated to have devoid of Force more worlds than Vitiate. I believe that puts him above Vitiate/Valkorion in power.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
And, Legend, where does it say that Revan can control both sides of the Force mutually at perfection? That's impossible. Either light or darkness would be more in his very being. One side would always 'dominate' a person. Yes, no one is perfect. You can have both light and darkness within you; but one will always dominate the other.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
And, Legend, where does it say that Revan can control both sides of the Force mutually at perfection? That's impossible. Either light or darkness would be more in his very being. One side would always 'dominate' a person. Yes, no one is perfect. You can have both light and darkness within you; but one will always dominate the other.
"Instead of charging forward, he opened himself up to the Force, letting both the light and the dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers. But instead of focusing or channeling the Force, he released it in its purest form."
"He had learned to balance on the knife-edge between them, drawing on both the light and dark sides for strength."
"They contend that simultaneously knowing and embracing both the light and dark sides of the Force is possible, and point to Revan as potential proof."
Originally posted by AncientPower
She never assumes anything of the sort beyond the known fact that Tenebrae became far more powerful due to the ritual. Then the narrator itself says Vitiate became more powerful than Meetra could imagine.
Meetra was no expert on dark side sorcery, but it was safe to assume Vitiate not only survived the ritual but emerged more powerful than ever.... He became more powerful than Meetra could ever imagine.
Yes, she made a statement regarding Vitiate's own power. Hence the last line. If it was written: Vitiate became more powerful than anyone Meetra could ever imagine.
Then, it would be something else.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Go through the novel and you will find evidence. Revan even demonstrated that kind of ability when he unleashed a blast of power on (unsuspecting) Vitiate, sending the opponent flying backward. Rare to see Vitiate being pushed in this manner since it is virtually impossible to budge him from his position under normal circumstances.
That was a Force Oneness moment.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Instead of charging forward, he opened himself up to the Force, letting both the light and the dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers. But instead of focusing or channeling the Force, he released it in its purest form."
Force Oneness moment.
"He had learned to balance on the knife-edge between them, drawing on both the light and dark sides for strength."
Yes, he was a 'Gray' Jedi. That has nothing to do with the metaphysical aspect of the Force.
You should know that in Drew's philosophy dark side also refers to the 'evil' dark side and to the unrestrained side of a Force user. Check his interviews once in a while.
Revan wasn't completely devoid of ration(like Jedi) nor completely led by emotions(as Sith).
They contend that simultaneously knowing and embracing both the light and dark sides of the Force is possible, and point to Revan as potential proof."
Yeah, Revan is proof that you can walk the path between ration and passion and remain 'healthy'. However Nomi Sunrider disagreed.
Interview:
Interviewer: Revan is the only Jedi-turned-Sith to turn back to the Light Side. How did you approach the task of writing such a complicated protagonist, one whose changing allegiance speaks to the appeals of two competing philosophies?Drew Karpyshyn: The thing I like about Revan is that he rejects the extremism of both philosophies. He tries to walk a path between the LIGHT and DARK, taking the GOOD and BAD from each. While I was working on the Darth Bane series, I wanted to portray certain elements of the DARK SIDE as POSITIVE – things like the importance of the individual and the quest for reaching one’s ULTIMATE POTENTIAL. Of course, pushed to the extreme these things become TWISTED and, for want of a better term, EVIL. But you could say the same thing about certain Jedi philosophies. Trying to REMOVE EMOTION from your life, trying to be completely RATIONAL in all things, can lead to someone become COLD, distant and aloof. Revan is a character who wants to pick and choose from BOTH SIDES to create his own MORAL CODE; I think that’s what makes him so interesting.
