CaV: SOR Revan(DarthAnt66) vs Darth Plagueis(i_like_swords)

Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
The text made clear that, from Sidious' perspective, Plagueis was confident in his invincibility and simply chose to replenish himself with midichlorian manipulation rather than defend himself.

Please explicitly state whether or not you think Plagueis choose to die rather than offensively attack Sidious with MM.

Originally posted by Jaggarath
Doesn't answer my question.

Please explicitly state whether or not you think Plagueis choose to die rather than offensively attack Sidious with MM.

you're arguing Plagueis choose to die rather than use midichlorian manipulation offensively against Palpatine?

No, I did not make that argument.

Why do you think Plagueis didn't use MM offensively against Sidious, then?

Who knows?

Do you think there's at least a 25% possibility it's because MM isn't effective against a being more powerful / with greater willpower?

I'd need to see some evidence for that.

> Anyone brings up something Revan can't handle

Ant: Do you know he has good willpower?

Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
I'd need to see some evidence for that.

Originally posted by Jaggarath
The fact Plagueis doesn't use it against Sidious suggests it's at least possibility, lol.

Because it's reasonable to think Plagueis would use his most OP weapon to destroy someone trying to kill him that he otherwise can't kill.

The guy could barely knock furniture over at the time so I don't see your point...?

Why not use it at the beginning?

Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
The text made clear that, from Sidious' perspective, Plagueis was confident in his invincibility and simply chose to replenish himself with midichlorian manipulation rather than defend himself.

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Yes, but "defend himself" can mean different things. "Defend himself" doesn't necessarily preclude counter-attack.

This is why I tried to clarify if you thought "defend himself" includes counter-attack by asking you that earlier question, but you basically said you don't think it includes counter-attack.

You seem to be contradicting yourself terribly or being unnecessarily utterly vague about your concludes for no reason, but maybe you can explain.

He stopped short of defending himself... As in he took on Sidious' lightning without shielding himself or fighting back. As stated in the book.

So then you’re contradicting yourself. Got it. 👆

>dude deliberately doesn't defend himself against his attacker to prove he's invincible
>but he'd totally have killed his attacker ASAP to save himself if he could

Where's the contradiction Ant?

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I think ILS is saying that the alcohol gave him a sense of bravado that prevented Plagueis from making the smartest choices when it came to defending against Sidious's attacks.