Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Interesting. He clearly meant Multi-Universal in the same sense any reality is Multi-Universal. Such as any main Universe whether 616 or 1610 has it's own Negative Zone, Microverse etc.I didn't know that was retconned. Does it count as a retcon?
Sheesh. Oh boy. This really is a pissing contest of who you like more.
Pre-retcon HOTU vs. Pre-retcon Lucifer and Post-Retcon HOTU vs. Post-retcon Lucifer. Same shit, different toilet.
He could have meant that, but you would probably have to get a re-confirmation. Either way, the writer mentioned that he created a multiverse and in Lucifer: Nirvana, it was also mentioned that he created a Multiverse. Operator said it best:
@TheDarkestKing1:it really depends on what you choose to go with.
initially it was stated that he created a universe (which happened in issue 13). However, Lucifer: Nirvana says that what he created is a multiverse. While several other issues which, chronologically take place after lucifer nirvana say that it was only a universe, along with a 2008 bio:
http://i.imgur.com/IVi9jvn.jpg?1
in short, everything apart from lucifer nirvana says that what he created is a universe, so you can either go with what was stated in lucifer nirvana (that it was a multiverse) or with the other issues and bios which state it was a universe.
one thing's for sure though, lucifer's creation is completely separated from yahweh's multiverse, since it can only be accessed through the letter of passage (which creates a gateway leading outside of yahweh's creation).
also, Lucifer along with michael were the ones who created yahweh's creation, which is confirmed to be a multiverse (though this is contradicted in the issues toward the end of swamp thing volume 2 which says that the presence/voice is what brought creation into existence (and several other issues state the same thing) so again, take your pick).
Basically, take your pick.
The scan from Nirvana:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36657/1174994-lucifermultiverse.jpg
Originally posted by Zack M
He could have meant that, but you would probably have to get a re-confirmation. Either way, the writer mentioned that he created a multiverse and in Lucifer: Nirvana, it was also mentioned that he created a Multiverse. Operator said it best:Basically, take your pick.
I think it's pretty clear that the intention is Universe because from what you posted 9/10 says Universe and 1/10 says Multiverse. The writer clarified that Universe meant the 616, or Earth Prime etc. A Universe with multiple levels. Not an entire Multiverse with a capital M.
What confirmation? He flat out clarified his statement and made it clear he did not mean multiple UniverseS but different aspects of a creation. Don't be silly. It's pretty straight forward.
The quote you posted heavily supports that it was indeed a single Universe.
And I have not read Nirvana yet, I will this weekend, but totality seems to imply that the Multiverse means a complete form of creation, with its own realms, dimensions, Hell & Heaven. The same way 616 is a Multiverse. I don't know, that seems to be the vibe I'm getting. But it's different writers so who knows.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Interesting. He clearly meant Multi-Universal in the same sense any reality is Multi-Universal. Such as any main Universe whether 616 or 1610 has it's own Negative Zone, Microverse etc.I didn't know that was retconned. Does it count as a retcon?
Sheesh. Oh boy. This really is a pissing contest of who you like more.
Pre-retcon HOTU vs. Pre-retcon Lucifer and Post-Retcon HOTU vs. Post-retcon Lucifer. Same shit, different toilet.
That wasn't retconned.
In battle forum, we meant that a character is Universal by destroying a single reality.
A reality is a Universe with his collection of realms and dimensions.
Lucifer + Michael's power created a single reality thus he is Universal with Michael's power.
I don't get why this is debated...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think it's pretty clear that the intention is Universe because from what you posted 9/10 says Universe and 1/10 says Multiverse. I don't know if it was different writers from Nirvana and the main series, but the main writer clarified that Universe meant the 616, or Earth Prime etc. A Universe with multiple levels. Not an entire Multiverse with a capital M.What confirmation? He flat out clarified his statement and made it clear he did not mean multiple UniverseS but different aspects of a creation. Don't be silly. It's pretty straight forward.
The quote you posted heavily supports that it was indeed a single Universe.
Mike Carrey DID write Nirvana, so that is an In comic example of it being a multiverse.
Not only that, but like Op said, Lucifer and Michael created Yaweh's creation, which is also said to be a Multiverse.
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaHe didn't tank it at all. You're misrepresenting his powers the context of the scene to wank Lucy. This is what I will systematically tear apart in our debate.
Irrelevant? It's irrelevant that Lucifer has beaten and tanked the full power of Michael Demiurgos, who has quite literally infinite power over infinite dimensions? Or that he no-sold him with a backhand? Michael, who possesses the power of God himself? Meaning beings like Mandrakk and CA Superman are less than ants to him? Yeah, makes sense. 👆
If you want to battlezone this, I'm more than game. But I pick the judge, [/B]
So you want to pick the only judge which reeks of corruption and desperation. You seem under the delusion anyone would accept these completely one sided terms. I do believe you're a sock of a regular poster who doesn't have the balls to come out of the shadows to face me but instead would rather debate me under this veil and arrange a shady battlezone in which the only judge you select screws not only myself but RW as well.and the loser gets a permanent ban- also, if you lose, which you will, RW gets a permanent ban too. You realize that the majority of HOTU Thanos' feats were retconned, right? Lmao, you're getting perma-banned in a heartbeat. 😆
If you agree to my terms, I'm game- because I will gladly rid this forum of any troll that I can. Otherwise, gtfo. You haven't made a single case as to why Thanos wins. You and RW are obvious trolls, and I can't wait to get rid of you two. Otherwise, you're cowards and I'll be on my way- taking your reply as a concession. 👆 [/B]
I've been on the receiving end of a judge who admitted on the forum my argument didn't matter he was already giving it to Darkseid. That's literally a biased person who admitted he didn't decide based on the arguments presented but his own preconceived perceptions of the matchup.
We both agree on 3 judges you annoying little cur but if you aren't interested in a fair and compromising debate I'll take it as you're scared. I'll take that as a concession to Thanos the one and only G.O.A.T.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynThis coward won't accept fair terms just wait and see. Only an idiot would say I lick the only judge (reeks of screwing the other guy over) and another poster takes a perma if I lose as well who isn't a part of this whatsoever. Go yap somewhere else you little dog.
[B]QUAN, ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE COWARD!!! [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm too stupid to make an actual argument to support my claims, and I'm consciously aware of how stupid I am, therefore I'm terrified at the premise of both me, and my sock account RealityWarper, being permanently banned. So I do not accept your challenge, oh mighty SSJGGogeta, you're just too amazing of a debater, and I'm nothing more than a lowly troll, hoping to make a mockery of this forum.
Ah, I understand. Well, I'll accept that as your concession, as I said I would earlier. I'm tired of dealing with the shenanigans of you, and RW, so I'll be on my way now, knowing that you were too cowardly to agree.
Why would I want to battlezone you, if I would ever have to deal with you or RW again? Waste of my time, unless I get to first-handedly deep-six the both of you (I say both of you, for convenience sake- we all know you're the same person using multiple accounts.).
Well folks, you heard it here first- Thanos loses, like the little ***** that he is(compared to Lucifer ****ing Morningstar). 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Irrelevant? It's irrelevant that Lucifer has beaten and tanked the full power of Michael Demiurgos, who has quite literally infinite power over infinite dimensions? Or that he no-sold him with a backhand? Michael, who possesses the power of God himself? Meaning beings like Mandrakk and CA Superman are less than ants to him? Yeah, makes sense. 👆If you want to battlezone this, I'm more than game. But I pick the judge, and the loser gets a permanent ban- also, if you lose, which you will, RW gets a permanent ban too. You realize that the majority of HOTU Thanos' feats were retconned, right? Lmao, you're getting perma-banned in a heartbeat. 😆
If you agree to my terms, I'm game- because I will gladly rid this forum of any troll that I can. Otherwise, gtfo. You haven't made a single case as to why Thanos wins. You and RW are obvious trolls, and I can't wait to get rid of you two. Otherwise, you're cowards and I'll be on my way- taking your reply as a concession. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Ah, I understand. Well, I'll accept that as your concession, as I said I would earlier. I'm tired of dealing with the shenanigans of you, and RW, so I'll be on my way now, knowing that you were too cowardly to agree.Why would I want to battlezone you, if I would ever have to deal with you or RW again? Waste of my time, unless I get to first-handedly deep-six the both of you (I say both of you, for convenience sake- we all know you're the same person using multiple accounts.).
Well folks, you heard it here first- Thanos loses, like the little ***** that he is(compared to Lucifer ****ing Morningstar). 👆
I've read your posts and, as a whole, I give you a 10/10 for the hilarity that came from it.
I mean that you want to challenge me or Quan in a Battlezone ? YOU ? Seriously ? 😂 !!!!!
Oh man !
You have to deal on a daily basis with your poor reading comprehension skills ,and your inability to understand what the characters can or can't do, you fail to show the characters that you are "defending" the way they are presented in the comics/mangas, you fail to attack properly the characters that you want to see losing the right way too. 👆
On top of that, the essential of your posts are dedicated at antagonizing other posters, when you fail to counter their posts like 100% of the time.
And YOU think that you are ABLE to challenge Quan or ME in a Battle zone ? ! 👆
Oh man ! That's hilarious ! GIVE ME A BREAK !
Go rise your level of debating beyond kindergarten-level and maybe in 1000 years you have a chance to become 1/10000000000 the debaters we are ! 😆
Originally posted by quanchi112
This coward won't accept fair terms just wait and see. Only an idiot would say I lick the only judge (reeks of screwing the other guy over) and another poster takes a perma if I lose as well who isn't a part of this whatsoever. Go yap somewhere else you little dog.
STOP HIDING YOUR COWARDICE!!!
A single judge would have to be one you two mutually agree on.
Originally posted by RealityWarperOk I have pms from reality Warper from months if not years ago. We can have a moderator look into our ip addresses and once it's verified we are different posters you can drop this baseless claim.
I've read your posts and, as a whole, I give you a 10/10 for the hilarity that came from it.I mean that you want to challenge me or Quan in a Battlezone ? YOU ? Seriously ? 😂 !!!!!
Oh man !
You have to deal on a daily basis with your poor reading comprehension skills ,and your inability to understand what the characters can or can't do, you fail to show the characters that you are "defending" the way they are presented in the comics/mangas, you fail to attack properly the characters that you want to see losing the right way too. 👆
On top of that, the essential of your posts are dedicated at antagonizing other posters, when you fail to counter their posts like 100% of the time.
And YOU think that you are ABLE to challenge Quan or ME in a Battle zone ? ! 👆
Oh man ! That's hilarious ! GIVE ME A BREAK !
Go rise your level of debating beyond kindergarten-level and maybe in 1000 years you have a chance to become 1/10000000000 the debaters we are ! 😆
You are the one backing down and making ridiculous stakes where another poster is permabanned in a very childish and goofy manner. If I'm so bad at understanding what's going on in the comics why won't you accept. You seem to talk tough but when it comes down to it you're fearful of a debate with myself. Don't be scared, little one.
Quit being so emotional and be a man and accept.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynYou are free to accept the battlezone challenge as well. He clearly said he picks the judge like arisicilpus child and wants another poster perma'd. Childish stakes from a coward. If you think you can outdebate me on this subject let's begin next week. I'm game.
[b]STOP HIDING YOUR COWARDICE!!!A single judge would have to be one you two mutually agree on. [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are free to accept the battlezone challenge as well. He clearly said he picks the judge like arisicilpus child and wants another poster perma'd. Childish stakes from a coward. If you think you can outdebate me on this subject let's begin next week. I'm game.
He wants a battlezone but he never outdebated me, not once. 😆
I can give you the links to the threads if you want.
Everytime he had to run from the thread. 😆
Originally posted by RealityWarperLink it up. Hilarious he calls us the same poster. He wanted to pick the judge (I am sure he wouldn't try to screw me over with a biased judge) and he thinks he can have you perma'd as well. I believe he gave these stipulations as a way for him to dodge the challenge while saving face.
He wants a battlezone but he never outdebated me, not once. 😆I can give you the links to the threads if you want.
Everytime he had to run from the thread. 😆
Originally posted by DamborgsonExactly. That's the point is a battlezone is a place a troll can't hide. So you can see the empty posturing and that I'll definitely walk the walk. The opposition will just talk the talk conceding to Thanos the G.O.A.T.
But a battlezone is precisely where trolls put up or shut up?
