Starkiller vs. Darth Nihilus (TK battle)

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Originally posted by The Merchant
Meant to say multi million. Im just guessing since it's roughly the same dimensions as a SD but chunks of it gone.

@Zenwolf it comes from this

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/"Imperial_Star_Destroyer"_SpecPlate

Hm, can't believe I never picked up on that or I just forgot about it entirely, it looks vaguely familiar.

If the word "atoms" was used, that would imply atomization which to atomize a 70 KG man would require megatons of concentrated firepower. Can't imagine how massive the yield would be for that frigate feat. Possibly rivaling the cannon feat.

Originally posted by Naugrim
150 meters of frigate

kek

Originally posted by The Merchant
If the word "atoms" was used, that would imply atomization which to atomize a 70 KG man would require megatons of concentrated firepower. Can't imagine how massive the yield would be for that frigate feat. Possibly rivaling the cannon feat.

Yep. Though honestly it's probably hyperbole or only describing what happened to a portion of the ship closest to the epicenter of Starkiller's blast. For now, let's just assume it was shattered into uncountable small fragments. Wouldn't that require greater energy then dragging an ISD sized ship into space?

Originally posted by Naugrim
Wouldn't that require greater energy then dragging an ISD sized ship into space?

Yes. But we don't know if TK feats should be scaled via the power they take, the total energy, the force, the stress, the distance, or whatever.

Doesn't "the power they take" and "the total energy" take into account the other factors listed?

Originally posted by Naugrim
Doesn't "the power the take" and "the total energy" take into account the other factors listed?

Somewhat but there are different ways to get there (lots of power + short time vs. the opposite, the area/volume of what you're TK'ing, the distances, etc.) We can only really make educated guesses.

*Shrug*

It seems like taking those factors into account would only further tilt things in Starkiller's favor given we don't know how long it took Nihilus to accomplish the feat while Starkiller was able to accomplish it with a gesture ( bringing down his hands in a pounding gesture ).

We know the object Starkiller affected was 150 meters while the one Nihilus affected was 1600 meters.

Distance is irrelevant for Starkiller's feat and we could probably find a pretty accurate distance between surface and orbit for Malachor by gauging the planet's size.

Yeah the context def favors Starkiller.

I guess the argument could be made that we don't know for sure which is better since we don't know how quickly Nihilus raised the ships, but to assume he accelerated them into the atmosphere so quickly that it would bridge the gap in energy between the two feats seems dishonest imo.

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Lmao, people still use the "we don't know the context of his tk". If Nihilus wouldn't have easily accomplished that feat; then the writers would have mentioned it. Even if his pre-planets TK feats were 'not-that-impressive'; after siphoning several words off Force/life energy, he certainly got to the point of casually holding his ghost ship. So, no Galen still isn't<Nihilus

Originally posted by Naugrim
False and lacking context. Like most of your posts.

"False and lacking context." 😆 What!?

You do realize that the Lusankya tk feat never happened? Sidious had nothing to do with its burial. It was his servants who did it.

As about Star Killer, in the novel is stated that his TK feat was in no way easy; and he was tired afterwards. These two aren't even comparable. Not to mention that Nihilus constantly kept his ship with TK as he traveled throughout the galaxy.
You can't use the "Nihilus slowly tk'd his ship" because the moment Nihilus brought his ship in the cosmos, he'd not have enough power to keep it intact and fly it because he'd be weakened as consequence.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Lmao, people still use the "we don't know the context of his tk". If Nihilus wouldn't have easily accomplished that feat; then the writers would have mentioned it. Even if his pre-planets TK feats were 'not-that-impressive'; after siphoning several words off Force/life energy, he certainly got to the point of casually holding his ghost ship. So, no Galen still isn't<Nihilus

The effort Nihilus expended to carry out the feat isn't what's in question tbh. Only the details of how it was carried out. Assuming Nihilus used the baseline energy neccesarry to accomplish the feat, he's still substantially below either Galen or Starkiller. It's not knowing exactly how fast he got those ships into orbit that leaves the issue in question.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
As about Star Killer, in the novel is stated that his TK feat was in no way easy; and he was tired afterwards. These two aren't even comparable. Not to mention that Nihilus constantly kept his ship with TK as he traveled throughout the galaxy.
You can't use the "Nihilus slowly tk'd his ship" because the moment Nihilus brought his ship in the cosmos, he'd not have enough power to keep it intact and fly it because he'd be weakened as consequence.

I cut the top part of your post since it was nothing but gibberish and strawmanning.

Because I'm generous, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are unaware that Galen accomplishes a feat that required far greater amounts of energy prior to carrying out the Star Destroyer feat.

Sorry, what are you trying to claim in regards to Nihilus's feat?

That's nice if you want to go into physics, for feats, Nihilus merely holding the ravager together is comparable to mareks SD feat. and him ripping it from orbit, is ten times the amount of Mareks.

CT123, has blogs calculating this type of stuff. If you want to see, a good estimate of the energies for those feats.

I'm sorry, but your "fan estimations" aren't valid as evidence Hashbrowns. And we're not referring to Galen Marek's "Star Destroyer feat" ( which is one of his lesser showings anyways ) but Starkiller's "frigate feat."

Originally posted by Naugrim
I'm sorry, but your "fan estimations" aren't valid as evidence Hashbrowns.

It's more reliable than yours, because it's backed with calcs, unlike your assumptions.

Show me these "calcs" which place holding the Ravager together above shattering 150 meters of frigate tbh.

Originally posted by Naugrim
Show me these "calcs" which place holding the Ravager together above shattering 150 meters of frigate tbh.

https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/star-wars-feat-darth-nihilius-tks-the-ravager.19653/#comment-175643