No twisting. A direct quote
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I have proof of everything I state in a debate.Superman throwing a few punches at high speeds isn't even an average according to the forum rules because there is 3 feats, all in all, in 75 years of publishing. That's the forum rules too.
Clear as day. 👆
And a direct request:
Please quote the forum rule pertaining to averages, which are 'clear as day'.
Originally posted by Bentley
Dude: unearthing posts from 2015 and random posts with the Word average doesn't prove any specific point ermmBe intellectually honest and PM one of our mods to actually discuss if your "rule of averages" exist 👆
I don't need to, I was actually just warming up DS so I get his full attention.
AVERAGE RULE
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APPLICATION
Let's make an estimation about the number of appearances for each characters and the percent of time each of them used their abilities.
SENTRY
Let's say Direct Molecule Manipulation to Erase Something for Sentry/Void and Flurry of Punches at Super-Speed for Superman.
According to the Marvel Database, Sentry/Void has:
47 + 253 + 9 = 309
Sentry/Void has 309 appearances.
Let's say that he used Direct Molecule Manipulation to Erase Something 3 times (Kree Gun + Molecule Man + Loki).
Let's calculate the percent of times this ability was used according to his number of appearances:
3/309 * 100 = 0.97 % which is roughly 1 % of his appearances.
SENTRY USED ROUGHLY DIRECT MOLECULE MANIPULATION TO ERASE SOMETHING 1% OF HIS APPEARANCES.
SUPERMAN:
According to the DC Database, Superman (NEW AND PRIME EARTHS) has:
2778 + 610 = 3388
Superman has 3388 appearances.
Let's say that he used his Flurry of Punches at Super-Speed 5 times (Sakki, Equus, Doomsday, Parasite, Ultraman).
Let's calculate the percent of times this ability was used according to his number of appearances:
5/3388 * 100 = 0.14 % which is roughly 0.1 % of his appearances.
SUPERMAN USED HIS FLURRY OF PUNCHES AT SUPER-SPEED ROUGHLY 0.1 % OF HIS APPEARANCES.
Let's compare the numbers now:
SENTRY (DMMES) = 1%
SUPERMAN (FPSS) = 0.1 %
A QUICK OBSERVATION SHOWS THAT SENTRY MAKE USE OF HIS DIRECT MOLECULE MANIPULATION 10 TIMES MORE OFTEN THAN SUPERMAN USES HIS FLURRY OF PUNCHES AT SUPER-SPEED.
YET, SUPERMAN'S FPSS IS ACCEPTED TO BE USED IN THE BATTLE FORUM WHEREAS HE MAKE USE OF THAT ABILITY 10 TIMES LESS THAN SENTRY ON AN AVERAGE.
HEY DARKSAINT, DOUBLE STANDARDS, YOU SAID ? 😂
HILARIOUS...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. So I'm guessing you looked, and there was no rule on averages, right?Hey now. No need for a potty mouth, lol. You're the one who can't grasp forum rules and don't understand simple questions.
There's a forum rule against interviews. I don't use them.
There's a forum rule about averag- oh wait, you just made that up lol.
Clear as day, you said, right? Forum rules?
" You're the one who can't grasp forum rules and don't understand simple questions."
TRY AGAIN ! 😂
Originally posted by -Pr-
If anybody needs clarification about the rules, feel free to ask in here, or to PM Bada or I (within reason). We did our best with what we wrote, but if any ambiguity does exist, there's no reason not to clarify.
I have two questions.
We don't have a ruling on 'average' showings, do we?
If not,what is the stance? Do we start looking over all of Wally's appearances since the 80s, and count up the number of IMPs he's performed (IIRC,2) and then say in a thread,on average, he's not using the IMP?
Or does the Full Capacity rule cover me (he can,and has, so he will - within character, i.e. not killing if he's a hero)?
The whole "average" thing is by and large an unwritten rule that basically amounts to setting a baseline, and telling people not to be trolls.
In the past when we talked about averages, we mean that on average, Superman doesn't get knocked out by gas stations exploding. Hulk doesn't get choked out by snakes or start fights at class 80. Surfer isn't getting beaten up by Mexicans or armbarred by Black Panther.
It's supposed to be about common sense and starting at the "middle of the road", and making sure people don't just cram in every low showing they can find.
As far as power levels go and the full capacity thing, "Average" is the baseline at the start of the fight. You don't get to use low showings to help you win your argument. Then things hopefully progress and escalate in a positive way.
That make sense?
Originally posted by -Pr-
The whole "average" thing is by and large an unwritten rule that basically amounts to setting a baseline, and telling people not to be trolls.In the past when we talked about averages, we mean that on average, Superman doesn't get knocked out by gas stations exploding. Hulk doesn't get choked out by snakes or start fights at class 80. Surfer isn't getting beaten up by Mexicans or armbarred by Black Panther.
It's supposed to be about common sense and starting at the "middle of the road", and making sure people don't just cram in every low showing they can find.
As far as power levels go and the full capacity thing, "Average" is the baseline at the start of the fight. You don't get to use low showings to help you win your argument. Then things hopefully progress and escalate in a positive way.
That make sense?
I have a question.
What about high showings that involves not much effort from the characters using their abilities ?
Molecule Manipulation/Reality Warping comes into my mind because the only effort required to use it is a simple thought, except in the case the character is facing a character with a similar ability and power-level.
Shall we count that as a base showing in the case the character is facing another character, or more, without this ability ?
Originally posted by -Pr-
The whole "average" thing is by and large an unwritten rule that basically amounts to setting a baseline, and telling people not to be trolls.In the past when we talked about averages, we mean that on average, Superman doesn't get knocked out by gas stations exploding. Hulk doesn't get choked out by snakes or start fights at class 80. Surfer isn't getting beaten up by Mexicans or armbarred by Black Panther.
It's supposed to be about common sense and starting at the "middle of the road", and making sure people don't just cram in every low showing they can find.
As far as power levels go and the full capacity thing, "Average" is the baseline at the start of the fight. You don't get to use low showings to help you win your argument. Then things hopefully progress and escalate in a positive way.
That make sense?
so, iow, the exact opposite of what has been happening in this thread? 😂
Originally posted by -Pr-
The whole "average" thing is by and large an unwritten rule that basically amounts to setting a baseline, and telling people not to be trolls.In the past when we talked about averages, we mean that on average, Superman doesn't get knocked out by gas stations exploding. Hulk doesn't get choked out by snakes or start fights at class 80. Surfer isn't getting beaten up by Mexicans or armbarred by Black Panther.
It's supposed to be about common sense and starting at the "middle of the road", and making sure people don't just cram in every low showing they can find.
As far as power levels go and the full capacity thing, "Average" is the baseline at the start of the fight. You don't get to use low showings to help you win your argument. Then things hopefully progress and escalate in a positive way.
That make sense?
Fair enough.
What I'm getting from that is, we start averages as the lowest possible showing, but feats that are performed, say,3 times in the last 75 years,are also valid as feats in threads.
Except for Sentry. As we have different versions.