Originally posted by AncientPowerActually, Drew Karpyshyn uses the phrase "Command of the Force" in regards to raw power. He did so in his Darth Bane books. Ant discovered this some time ago.
Given she can easily be referring to Force mastery when saying 'command of the Force' rather than raw power, then I have no reasons to doubt her. The actual evidence at hand supports such a notion. Not that she's got any reason to be incorrect as we know for a fact she grasps Nihilus' true power upon meeting him.
Regardless, I hardly think using Meetra's subjective, dated opinion to gauge Vitiate, Nihilus and Revan is prudent when we have lots of source material to draw from. It wouldn't be the first time a character is flat out wrong about something despite having the knowledge required to make the correct observation.
Mace Windu believed Kar Vastor was on-par with Yoda and he had no chance of ever defeating him, then beat his a** up in the same book. He believed Depa Billaba to be his superior, and then did extraordinarily well against her while holding back and hampered by other circumstances.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I get the impression that much of energies Darth Nihilus absorbed, went into satiating his astounding hunger - an unintended side-effect of his condition that gradually overwhelmed his self-control.Darth Nihilus was not growing in power, rather risking self-destruction [pointed out by Kriea].
Conversely, Vitiate was growing in power on a consistent basis. He too acquired hunger as an unintended side-effect of his Dark Side experiments on Medriaas and had to satiate it by feeding on the life-force of others but he demonstrated very good self-control and stability. A chunk of energies that he absorbed, went into augmenting his strength accordingly.
You will find this blog interesting: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/tenebrae-slave-to-hunger-and-false-sith-1875700/
So, let me get this straight. You say that both Nihilus and Vitiate share the same 'disease', yet only Vitiate grows stronger and holds that power because...*plot reasons*?
Nowhere does it say that Nihilus' power didn't grow. In fact it was established that the more powerful he becomes, the greater the hunger would be.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Two hints:-REVAN COULD FEEL THE EMPEROR FEEDING ON HIM, drawing on his power to sate his endless hunger.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
AND;
"He lured many Sith Lords here before consuming them in a dark ritual that wiped out all life on the planet." (Lord Dramath)
"He did something similar on Ziost." (Lana Beniko)
"His hunger for immortality must constantly be fed." (Lord Dramath)
Why he is leeching energy of others virtually non-stop? And has to consume a planet occasionally?
Of-course, his thirst for greater power is well-known. However, his experiments and resultant gains push him towards leeching the energies of others to satiate his thirst - a hunger-esque situation.
Revan recognized this problem:
"He has become obsessed with power and immortality. The dark side is like a cancer inside him; it grows faster than he can feed it. He has consumed an entire world, but he still hungers. And with his hunger comes an all-consuming fear."
Hunger is not a tangible thing. It manifests as an unintended side-effect of actions and experiences of a character obsessed with power over the course of time.
Nihilus was anything but obsessed with power. He became a walking black hole in the Force due to the Mass Shadow Generator. He was just an anomaly, a wild card, an exception to the natural world.
Also what those quotes describe is just Vitiate's need to drain lifeforce to sustain himself because the dark side effects were ravaging his essence. It's similar to how Sidious was leeching off Byss' people's lifeforce to preserve himself.
Thus, Vitiate didn't get any 'hunger'; he was just siphoning life-force to preserve his immortality.
Originally posted by MythLord
The lightning surged into the ships and killed it's pilots. It didn't actually damage the ship in any way. K'kruhk level feat.As for demolishing parties, the party consisted of absolute fodder that still managed to resist him for a decent enough period of time.
It's been confirmed to have damaged the ships, actually. The lightning busted their shields and fried their systems.
Originally posted by ILS
Actually, Drew Karpyshyn uses the phrase "Command of the Force" in regards to raw power. He did so in his Darth Bane books. Ant discovered this some time ago.Regardless, I hardly think using Meetra's subjective, dated opinion to gauge Vitiate, Nihilus and Revan is prudent when we have lots of source material to draw from. It wouldn't be the first time a character is flat out wrong about something despite having the knowledge required to make the correct observation.
Mace Windu believed Kar Vastor was on-par with Yoda and he had no chance of ever defeating him, then beat his a** up in the same book. He believed Depa Billaba to be his superior, and then did extraordinarily well against her while holding back and hampered by other circumstances.
That was an interpretation of his, not fact.
Except that all it says is that Vitiate became more powerful than Meetra could imagine. Yet she gets the full measure of Nihilus' power during their fight.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nihilus is supposed to be below the Ancient Sith that you already think are below Kun. Meanwhile, Vitiate is supposed to be the most powerful Force User the galaxy has ever seen as of SWTOR. Why this thread was made is beyond me.
And, yet, we never see ancient Sith perform such feats without rituals or preparation.
Did it ever ooze that Kreia had no knowledge about post-Katarr Nihilus' deeds?
We all know that, by the time Kreia re-learns about Nihilus, he already mastered and perfected the 'Force' drain power to wide-planetary potency/range.
So, whatever knowledge she had about Nihilus is pre-Katarr events.