Originally posted by AncientPower
The ritual had obviously destroyed Nathema, snuffing out all life on the world. Lord Vitiate had offered his people hope and instead had brought them a fate worse than death—utter eradication of life, existence, and even the Force.Meetra was no expert on dark side sorcery, but it was safe to assume Vitiate not only survived the ritual but emerged more powerful than ever. And with the destruction of everyone on Nathema—including his research team—he alone would have known the location of Dromund Kaas. The plan was both horrifying and brilliant. In addition to becoming more powerful than Meetra could imagine.
- Revan
For the last time, girl, Meetra doesn't make any comparision with other Force users, she merely states that Vitiate became more powerful after he consumed Medriaas. It's only a statement relative to Vitiate's own power. Meetra doesn't have any knowledge of Vitiate pre-Nathema; so of course she would think that it made him more powerful than ever.
Originally posted by MythLordThe lightning surged into the ships and killed it's pilots. It didn't actually damage the ship in any way. K'kruhk level feat.
You say this, as if blasting through the defenses of ships with the residual sparks of a FLS, while weakened, isn't impressive.
I guess it isn't in that incredible little box you live in, kek. But, yeah, explain how it is a "K'kruhk level feat".
Originally posted by MythLord
As for demolishing parties, the party consisted of absolute fodder that still managed to resist him for a decent enough period of time.
Yeah - this was a team stated to be the most powerful the Jedi had to offer, including it's the greatest champion in HoT -- but they were simply "fodder", yeah, sure. As for them resisting some with their lightsaber blades - here's the thing --
- It was a widespread attack, thus spreading out its potency tremendously compared to the strength it would have if it was just a concentrated continues bolt, like what it is going to be against Nihilus. The others that didn't in fact, shield themselves with their blade was near instantaneously paralyzed [which I would hardly call resisting].
There is also Vitiate flat-out one-shotting Marr and Arcann, and producing lightning far more powerful than Nyriss can muster before substantially growing, those feats should also do the trick.
Bottom line: Nihilus is out of his league here.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
And, yet, we never see ancient Sith perform such feats without rituals or preparation.
Did it ever ooze that Kreia had no knowledge about post-Katarr Nihilus' deeds?
We all know that, by the time Kreia re-learns about Nihilus, he already mastered and perfected the 'Force' drain power to wide-planetary potency/range.So, whatever knowledge she had about Nihilus is pre-Katarr events.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nihilus' feats do not change that SWTOR tells us Vitiate is more powerful than him. And considering that Vitiate ahs better feats than Nihilus, that's entirely irrelevant anyway. 👆
SWTOR tells us that he became the dominator when Nihilus was already gone. Seriously, Nihilus devoured more planets than Vitiate: it's logical Nihilus>Vitiate.
This is just flat maths.
No, Vitiate does not win here.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
You say this, as if blasting through the defenses of ships with the residual sparks of a FLS, while weakened, isn't impressive.I guess it isn't in that incredible little box you live in, kek. But, yeah, explain how it is a "K'kruhk level feat".
Yeah - this was a team stated to be the most powerful the Jedi had to offer, including it's the greatest champion in HoT -- but they were simply "fodder", yeah, sure. As for them resisting some with their lightsaber blades - here's the thing --
- It was a widespread attack, thus spreading out its potency tremendously compared to the strength it would have if it was just a concentrated continues bolt, like what it is going to be against Nihilus. The others that didn't in fact, shield themselves with their blade was near instantaneously paralyzed [which I would hardly call resisting].
There is also Vitiate flat-out one-shotting Marr and Arcann, and producing lightning far more powerful than Nyriss can muster before substantially growing, those feats should also do the trick.
Bottom line: Nihilus is out of his league here.
Vitiate ate only two planets and you saw how powerful he became. Think about Nihilus who was stated to eat a few during his Sith reign.
Conclusion: Nihilus>Vitiate 💃
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
SWTOR tells us that he became the dominator when Nihilus was already gone. Seriously, Nihilus devoured more planets than Vitiate: it's logical Nihilus>Vitiate.
This is just flat maths.No, Vitiate does not win here.
The based CodexThe Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen.
I wonder if everyone in the galaxy just forgot Nihilus.
Also, how do you know how many planets Vitiate ate? His father, who probably knows more than you(he actually knowing...well, anything) says he has to constantly feed on life to stay immortal.
Tbh, it looks like you're just talking out of your ass in a topic you're incredibly unknowledgeable in. But that can't be right.
Originally posted by ILS
Mace Windu believed Kar Vastor was on-par with Yoda [/B]
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
When you don't know what the **** you're talking about.I wonder if everyone in the galaxy just forgot Nihilus.
Also, how do you know how many planets Vitiate ate? His father, who probably knows more than you(he actually knowing...well, anything) says he has to constantly feed on life to stay immortal.
Tbh, it looks like you're just talking out of your ass in a topic you're incredibly unknowledgeable in. But that can't be right.
1. No one forgot Nihilus. But with him out of picture, Vitiate became the dominator Force-user. Simple math logic.
2. Better said: How do you know that Vitiate ate more planets than two? Any source to back that up? Because it was never stated.
You can't just assume because you like it to be true to support your stance. For Nihilus it was indeed stated that he performed 'Force' drain on several planets.
3. Yes, Lord Dramath is right. Vitiate has to feed on life to preserve his body that is constantly bombarded by the ravaging effects of the dark side. It's similar to how Sidious leeched the life-energies of Byss' people to preserve his body.
So, no, neither of them have the condition/Hunger that Nihilus had. Nihilus' condition was caused by Revan's Mass Shadow Generator. It wasn't something that was caused due to the use of the dark side.
I get it. You're an idiot. You seem to not even be able to understand basic sarcasm. So I'm going to break this down line by line for you.
The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen.
The phrase: "has ever seen" means that nothing before or after, up until SWTOR at least, is more dominating. Because that is what ever means. Even if by some retarded stretch that you could argue Nihilus was more powerful than Vitiate, which you cannot because Kreia admits that Nihilus is only approaching the Ancient Sith, by the time of SWTOR he is the greatest in history. Bar none.
No, actually it was not stated that Nihilus consumed several planets. Anywhere. We have one confirmed planet and rumors of others, with no statement of population size. Meanwhile, Vitiate has been alive for over 1400 years and has been stated to have a need to consume life constantly to be alive. Killed hundreds, a great many Force Sensitive, in a matter of seconds. He killed billions in a matter of minutes, warped the mind of an entire world, built decimating creatures in a matter of hours without a body, can at least create stasis fields that flat out stop everything that comes into contact with them including turbolaser fire from capital ships. Has wiped out fleets on his own. He's faced down planet destroying, and civilization ending weapons and won. Three of the most powerful beings in the mythos, and a McGuffin, together weren't enough to overcome him. And this is all on his off days. Meanwhile, Nihilus is just another footnote in his story that the average Sith doesn't even care about. And they know fully well who he is and what he accomplished. Finally, it has nothing to do with preserving his body, which as far as we know does not need constant feedings as long as he is powerful, it's the immortality of his spirit. I'd love for you to provide some actual evidence for your claims now, but I won't hold my breath.
The rest of your post is completely irrelevant. It's information no one wanted or asked for, and it goes nowhere towards proving your point. But it definitely goes a long way towards proving the one I made at the top.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceKreia didn't 'admit' that Nihilus was only approaching the Ancient Sith. She claimed as such, and she's no authority on the power of the Ancient Sith. Or the power of Nihilus, for that matter, because she and Nihilus parted before the latter went off to consume an entire colony of Jedi and millions of force sensitives which would have increased his power drastically. And if Visas could not reach out and feel Nihilus' presence despite a potent force bond, Kreia wouldn't have much luck either, so the only idea of his power she would have is pre-Katarr/planet eating spree.
Even if by some retarded stretch that you could argue Nihilus was more powerful than Vitiate, which you cannot because Kreia admits that Nihilus is only approaching the Ancient Sith, by the time of SWTOR he is the greatest in history. Bar none.
Not that I disagree with the conclusion that Valkorion is obviously better than Nihilus. However, trying to bind Nihilus below the Ancient Sith by the words of somebody who has nothing to gauge of their power bar hearsay and second hand accounts, is unreasonable.
Nihilus didn't disappear from the galaxy, so I doubt Kreia was unaware of how powerful he was. And Visas flat out tells you she can sense both the Exile and Nihilus, she just refused to take her to him because she's obsessed with the Exile and doesn't want her to die. Second, of course she'd have something to gauge this on. There's tons of Sith holocrons that she'd be able to speak with that would describe what the Sith of old were capable of from first hand sources, with said holocrons being able to gauge both the past and the present.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
You say this, as if blasting through the defenses of ships with the residual sparks of a FLS, while weakened, isn't impressive.
What defenses? Shields? The hull? None of it seemed to be damaged, the risidual lightning only killed or shocked it's pilots. I mean, that is impressive and all, but it's not worth noting compared to top tier Sith like Nihilus.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I guess it isn't in that incredible little box you live in, kek. But, yeah, explain how it is a "K'kruhk level feat".
Simple: K'kruhk brought down a ship(he influenced the actual ship, mind you, not the pilots), before growing considerably in power.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah - this was a team stated to be the most powerful the Jedi had to offer, including it's the greatest champion in HoT -- but they were simply "fodder", yeah, sure. As for them resisting some with their lightsaber blades - here's the thing -- It was a widespread attack, thus spreading out its potency tremendously compared to the strength it would have if it was just a concentrated continues bolt, like what it is going to be against Nihilus. The others that didn't in fact, shield themselves with their blade was near instantaneously paralyzed [which I would hardly call resisting].
Quote for them being the best? Tol Braga is nigh-featless and accoladeless and still powered through most of it, whereas the two whoevers still managed to deflected the barrage for a bit before going down. It isn't that good a feat.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
There is also Vitiate flat-out one-shotting Marr and Arcann, and producing lightning far more powerful than Nyriss can muster before substantially growing, those feats should also do the trick.
These are actually good feats. 👆
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Bottom line: Nihilus is out of his league here.
I never disagreed with this; I actually said:
Originally posted by MythLord
Valkorion, good fight.
I just don't believe those two lightning feats are what's gonna net Valk the win here. Killing someone with an actual achievements like Marr and being substantially above Nyriss pre-prime are better examples.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I get it. You're an idiot. You seem to not even be able to understand basic sarcasm. So I'm going to break this down line by line for you.The phrase: "has ever seen" means that nothing before or after, up until SWTOR at least, is more dominating. Because that is what ever means. Even if by some retarded stretch that you could argue Nihilus was more powerful than Vitiate, which you cannot because Kreia admits that Nihilus is only approaching the Ancient Sith, by the time of SWTOR he is the greatest in history. Bar none.
No, actually it was not stated that Nihilus consumed several planets. Anywhere. We have one confirmed planet and rumors of others, with no statement of population size. Meanwhile, Vitiate has been alive for over 1400 years and has been stated to have a need to consume life constantly to be alive. Killed hundreds, a great many Force Sensitive, in a matter of seconds. He killed billions in a matter of minutes, warped the mind of an entire world, built decimating creatures in a matter of hours without a body, can at least create stasis fields that flat out stop everything that comes into contact with them including turbolaser fire from capital ships. Has wiped out fleets on his own. He's faced down planet destroying, and civilization ending weapons and won. Three of the most powerful beings in the mythos, and a McGuffin, together weren't enough to overcome him. And this is all on his off days. Meanwhile, Nihilus is just another footnote in his story that the average Sith doesn't even care about. And they know fully well who he is and what he accomplished. Finally, it has nothing to do with preserving his body, which as far as we know does not need constant feedings as long as he is powerful, it's the immortality of his spirit. I'd love for you to provide some actual evidence for your claims now, but I won't hold my breath.
The rest of your post is completely irrelevant. It's information no one wanted or asked for, and it goes nowhere towards proving your point. But it definitely goes a long way towards proving the one I made at the top.
Quantity does not translate to quality, bro.
"As Nihilus greedy consumes entire planets' life energies, the dark side macerates him even faster."
¯Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide
As for your little attempt to lowball Nihilus. It was stated that he goes only for planets that are rich in Force energy.
[The phrase: "has ever seen" means that nothing before or after, up until SWTOR at least, is more dominating.]
Still nope. That particular line depicts him post-Nihilus, and even if it is pre-Nihilus:
You have to take in account one thing:
The galaxy(literally) hasn't seen Vitiate's power. He was hidden on some backwatered planet playing with his Sith pets.
But the galaxy did see Nihilus' power, because, well, he purged most of the Jedi with his 'hunger'.
So the word 'galaxy' in that particular line is only to say 'something' about Vitiate's power.
[it's the immortality of his spirit.]
Pretty sure it was stated in the Revan novel that his immortality is in flesh when it's said that the Nathema ritual rendered him immortal.
As about Valkorion constantly leeching off life energies to maintain his spirit 'immortality'. It's not about a 'hunger' that consumes him without end, really. Dark side spirits do have this problem with their spiritual essence. They need a focal point of the dark side to anchor their corrupt spirit. And when they don't have one; they drain life energies. IIRC, even Exar Kun wanted to escape Yavin 4 as spirit, but knowing he would not last as spirit forever; he set on harvesting the life energies of the Massassi.
[And they know fully well who he is and what he accomplished.]
Welp, at least the galaxy( minus Kreia) knows what Nihilus can do. Not so sure about Valkorion/Vitiate. His Nathema ritual was an unknown. And his conflicts with the Republic are small. He never conquered the galaxy either; or erradicate the Jedi Order.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
[Vitiate has been alive for over 1400 years and has been stated to have a need to consume life constantly to be alive. Killed hundreds, a great many Force Sensitive, in a matter of seconds. He killed billions in a matter of minutes, warped the mind of an entire world, built decimating creatures in a matter of hours without a body, can at least create stasis fields that flat out stop everything that comes into contact with them including turbolaser fire from capital ships. Has wiped out fleets on his own. He's faced down planet destroying, and civilization ending weapons and won.
Great argument, indeed. You just compared a main TOR character from the EU saga with a mini-boss from KotOR 2.
You know what's the thing here: Vitiate had more writing in his favor. It's not like Nihilus is as fleshed out as Vitiate is. So, I don't see your point. It's like saying that Vader>Tenebrous because you saw more of Vader's abilities.
Your comparison is so wrong.