Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
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do you think MUI goku would have been able to defeat Broly? i mean, couldn't he have just dodged all of Brolys strikes like Whis did?
MUI Goku ToP? No, Broly
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is likely more powerful than LB Jiren so he would have not lose.
Hypothetical post-ToP, Broly-movie MUI Goku?
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Yes, he would have tooled Broly around, if not for greater power just for plot purpose alone.
While MUI Goku should technically be stronger now than he was during the ToP,
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I imagine that FPSSJ Broly would still hand him his ass, tbh. Even at less than full power, Broly and Gogeta's battle was sending them into alternate dimensions and shit. At the very least I suspect that Broly could contend with MUI long enough for it to burn Goku out like it did before, as he obviously hasn't mastered it yet. Not really.Goku's statement that Broly was the strongest opponent he has EVER faced, and possibly even stronger than Beerus himself speaks volumes.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Toriyama has Whis at a 15 to Beerus' 10. And based on what Whis said about his father's power, I'd imagine that the gap between Whis and Daishinkan is similar to the gap between Whis and Beerus.So Daishinkan would likely be around 20 or so.
Oh and SSJ4 Goku 11.5
SSJ4 Gogeta 13
Originally posted by Galan007
While MUI Goku should technically be stronger now than he was during the ToP,Spoiler:
I imagine that FPSSJ Broly would still hand him his ass, tbh. Even at less than full power, Broly and Gogeta's battle was sending them into alternate dimensions and shit. At the very least I suspect that Broly could contend with MUI long enough for it to burn Goku out like it did before, as he obviously hasn't mastered it yet. Not really.Goku's statement that Broly was the strongest opponent he has EVER faced, and possibly even stronger than Beerus himself speaks volumes.
I can see that happening, and I would agree with you.
Because yes, MUI is literally a massive boost, but for it to make Goku even with a SSB fusion it would still be difficult, given the original gap between Goku and the fusion itself (e.g. see SSB Vegetto stated to possibly be more powerful than Beerus already during the Black Arc, when Goku and Vegeta alone were incredibly behind).
Logically this would be the best option.
Still, knowing how Super works, I would have been not surprised to see a post ToP MUI Goku
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defeating Broly much like SSB Gogeta is going to do, at the very least just for plot reasons, considering that now MUI is the next big thing.The fact alone that they are not milking the form during the upcoming movie to me tells that they are keeping it for something bigger, IMHO.
Bran mentioned this, but there's also the fact that
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BASE Gogeta is evidently FAR more powerful than SSB Goku + SSB Vegeta, given their respective fights with SSJ Broly... Which is, frankly, asinine. Tack the SSB amp on top of THAT level of base power, and there's really no way I could imagine Beerus being even close to SSB Gogeta's level.But yeah, we'll see MUI again... Though it is strange to me that it evidently wasn't even mentioned in the movie, given that it is triggered when Goku is in dire need and facing an opponent with massive energy... Because Broly has the most massive energy he's faced yet.
But I imagine Toriyama purposefully ignored that because he was always going to have Gogeta be the savior in the movie. /shrug
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
The word of god outweighs everything in DB, you troll. your headcanon is idiotic.
Joe Casey claimed a certain pet character could beat down a universal buster. He was giving the "word of god", in effect.
And he is very wrong. On comic, manga, and anime boards, FEATS are king. It doesn't matter what a writer claims, all that matters is what is shown.
Originally posted by Galan007
Bran mentioned this, but there's also the fact thatSpoiler:
BASE Gogeta is evidently FAR more powerful than SSB Goku + SSB Vegeta, given their respective fights with SSJ Broly... Which is, frankly, asinine.