Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Mom: the only judges decided so far are Gideon, DMB, and Sinious.Gideon is neutral and DMB / Sinious definitely have more issues with me than Ellim.
Unless you took my joke roster serious... 😖
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Mom: the only judges decided so far are Gideon, DMB, and Sinious.Gideon is neutral and DMB / Sinious definitely have more issues with me than Ellim.
Unless you took my joke roster serious... 😖
That you’d pick Jack as a judge? No, unless you thought me joking they weren’t outrageous enough was also serious mmm
And I disagree. It’s not about personal bias, but almost every Revan/Vader arguments been made already and we all know how everyone feels on them. I think the board is already skewed, maybe when it’s finished it won’t be, but still mmm
Originally posted by Freedon NaddLiberalism is a theory of international relations, not a system of government, ya dingus.
Liberalism>Democracy>Oligarchy
Anyway it makes sense for this to be a CV, democratic style of debate; after all debating in itself is useless if you can't sway the opinions of the masses.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
TBH though, it should just be cv style. The onus should be on the debaters to form arguments that can convince a large amount of people, not just a few judges.Democracy>Oligarchy.
’In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority.’ - Reflections on the French Revolution
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Originally posted by Kurk
Liberalism is a theory of international relations, not a system of government, ya dingus.
For real though 👆
Why care what five judges think if the rest of the forum disagrees with them? This whole drawn-out selection and vetting process seems pretty pointless if whatever conclusion the judges come to isn’t indicative of the actual persuasiveness of whichever debater they deem the winner. And in that case, a more Comic Vine-style popular vote seems like a better method for determining a “winner,” in my opinion.
Meme worthy philosophers aside, no, we shouldn’t use a ‘democratic’ voting system. The vast majority of people will vote with intrinsic bias. The less invested in the debate the more biased your vote will be, therefore selecting judges and making them more likely to read the thread (more influential, more pressure, more scrutiny) and less biased. Selecting judges who are less likely (based on previous experience) to be biased against the debaters or characters also subtracts from how biased the overall decision is.
Really, if you think bias won’t matter much either way, the fact it’s five judges doesn’t change anything. If you agree bias is an issue, then selecting individuals far less likely to be biased makes perfect sense.
Neither scenario has five judges as a bad thing, where one has a ‘democratic’ vote as bad, and one has it as neutral. Basic logic dictates you select a panel no matter your opinion on bias.
For the record, more democratic =\= better in a scenario in which the few have no authority to infringe on the opinions of the many. The rest of the forum will still have an opinion, it just won’t be official.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Lol What? Liberalism is clearly better than Democracy, albeitly not perfect either. Democracy has no direction. It promotes rights of the people and that's all. It's really a system where you aren't enslaved, but you enslave yourself.
What do you think liberalism is? Kurk was pointing out that liberalism is an international relations theory based on international cooperation, and global economic interdependence leading to peace and prosperity. You can argue that liberalism is better than realism, but not that liberalism is better than democracy as the two are incomparable.
@Selenial: Fair points, though I guess the main issue I have is the idea of an ‘official opinion,’ as if either a popular vote or panel of judges has any actual weight or legitimacy on who is the true ‘victor.’ At the end of the day, the judges decision can be completely discarded and irrelevant, so all this hassle is a waste of time.