Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Do we have reaction speed for Thanos? From what I know of him(the silver surfer almost snagging the IG from him at around LS, regardless of sensory input or not), I could definitely see the Flash taking it from Thanos, if we're using Wally West.If that's the case, then I could definitely see Goku doing it. /shrug
Iirc. Thanos "turned off" all but one of the infinity gems in that instance. Mephisto convinced him to do so to impress Death, by beating all the hero's without being all powerful. I'm not sure what gem he was using though. Might have been the power gem.
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaWhat do you mean "regardless of sensory input"..? That is *the* most important bit of context about that showing.
Do we have reaction speed for Thanos? From what I know of him(the silver surfer almost snagging the IG from him at around LS, regardless of sensory input or not), I could definitely see the Flash taking it from Thanos, if we're using Wally West.If that's the case, then I could definitely see Goku doing it. /shrug
Thanos had purposefully turned off ALL sensory input from the gems, which essentially turned off his omniscience so that he did not know his opponents' next moves. Despite this, he was STILL able to out-react Surfer, despite him traveling massively FTL at the time.
His sensory input would be very much 'on' here, however. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
What do you mean "regardless of sensory input"..? That is *the* most important bit of context about that showing.Thanos had purposefully turned off ALL sensory input from the gems, which essentially turned off his omniscience so that he did not know his opponents' next moves. Despite this, he was STILL able to out-react Surfer, despite him traveling massively FTL at the time.
His sensory input would be very much 'on' here, however. 🙂
I stand corrected.
Originally posted by Damborgson👆
No you were right, he was using the power gem. Galan is just saying he turned off his omniscience.
Thanos still wielded the IG's unlimited power -- he just didn't know his opponents' next moves, because he turned off ALL sensory input/omniscience.
Despite this, Thanos STILL managed to dodge a sneak-attack-blitz from Surfer, who was traveling massively FTL(he covered over a light year in the space of a few panels, ffs.)
Originally posted by Galan007
👆Thanos still wielded the IG's unlimited power -- he just didn't know his opponents' next moves, because he turned off ALL sensory input/omniscience.
Despite this, Thanos STILL managed to dodge a sneak-attack-blitz from Surfer, who was traveling massively FTL(he covered over a light year in the space of a few panels, ffs.)
True GALAN ! 😄
Originally posted by Galan007
What do you mean "regardless of sensory input"..? That is *the* most important bit of context about that showing.Thanos had purposefully turned off ALL sensory input from the gems, which essentially turned off his omniscience so that he did not know his opponents' next moves. Despite this, he was STILL able to out-react Surfer, despite him traveling massively FTL at the time.
His sensory input would be very much 'on' here, however. 🙂
My point is that Thanos barely reacted to Surfer in time, and Surfer doesn't move nearly as fast as all the relevant DBS characters.
My point is that the sensory input from the gems gives him omniscience, so normally he would know what is going to happen before it does. This is correct. What I fail to see here, is how that will help him here. If Goku is capable of moving so much faster than him, fast enough to outspeed time-stop, then I don't see how Thanos can stop him from snagging the gauntlet before he gets a chance to use it.
Thanos could easily destroy him with the gauntlet, but he would have to be able to use it. I'm arguing that Goku will be fast enough here to do that before Thanos is able to stop him. Gems be dammed, Thanos still has to think to use them, meaning he has synapses firing at a finite speed, even if that was fast enough to barely react to Surfer. Thanos wasn't using the gems input, meaning his own reaction speed was good enough to react to that sneak attack by Surfer.
From what I've seen though, Thanos even with the IG fully active has never dealt with someone that could potentially outright blitz him like Goku can. He just fought a bunch of people that he easily overpowered. I haven't seen a single argument/showing yet that could convince me that, in this setting, someone like Goku, the Flash, SA Supe's with acceleration, etc. couldn't snag the gauntlet off of Thanos if they came in knowing that they needed to, while using full speed.
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaYou're not grasping the concept that his omniscience was TURNED OFF, yet he STILL managed to out-react a massively FTL blitz. Had his omniscience been active, Surfer's blitz would have been countered before it even happened, because Thanos would have already known every single move he was going to make.
My point is that Thanos barely reacted to Surfer in time, and Surfer doesn't move nearly as fast as all the relevant DBS characters.
Exact same logic applies here. You're acting like Goku will be able to 'get the jump' on a fully omniscient being whom also possesses absolute mastery over the very flow of time/space itself... The dick-riding is unreal.
Originally posted by Galan007
You're not grasping the concept that his omniscience was TURNED OFF, yet he STILL managed to out-react a massively FTL blitz. Had his omniscience been active, Surfer's blitz would have been countered before it even happened, because Thanos would have already known every single move he was going to make.Exact same logic applies here. You're acting like Goku will be able to 'get the jump' on a fully omniscient being whom also possesses absolute mastery over the very flow of time/space itself... The dick-riding is unreal.
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Again, IG Thanos oneshots DBS.
Originally posted by Galan007
You're not grasping the concept that his omniscience was TURNED OFF, yet he STILL managed to out-react a massively FTL blitz. Had his omniscience been active, Surfer's blitz would have been countered before it even happened, because Thanos would have already known every single move he was going to make.Exact same logic applies here. You're acting like Goku will be able to 'get the jump' on a fully omniscient being whom also possesses absolute mastery over the very flow of time/space itself... The dick-riding is unreal.
Wrong, you're simply misconstruing what happened in that scene.
1. Silver Surfer was not "blitzing" Thanos.
2. Thanos did not react to the Silver Surfer's movement, even though he still had control over time. His mastery over time is one of the most underexplored aspects of the IG, outside of time travel showings. Regardless, the point is that time control =/= infinite reaction time or speed. That would be like saying that Galactus also has infinite reaction speed, because he can manipulate/control time.
3. Silver Surfer HIMSELF was unable to grab the gauntlet simply because he couldn't perceive what was happening accurately enough to snag it while moving at such a high speed. He was also going so fast that Thanos didn't even notice him approaching until he had passed by, meaning that if someone was capable of moving at that speed(FTL, capable of passing a few lightyears in the span of a couple seconds during a fight between Captain America and IG Thanos), but also doing so accurately enough to snag the gauntlet, then they could easily snag the gauntlet in a similar scenario.
4. What I don't think you're understanding is the fact that Thanos doesn't have infinite reaction speed, and he can't do anything before the fight starts.
Based on showings, the INSTANT this fight starts, Goku will have the gauntlet in his hand before Thanos even knows wtf happened.
MUI Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silver Surfer, in terms of speed and power. And Silver Surfer was able to move faster than Thanos could react to, even with "mastery over time".
Thanos himself remarked, when he was imbued with the HOTU, that the IG was only an external control over the universe, meaning that he was still unable to exert absolute control over the universe. Since his control is clearly limited, and the limit of his time control is lower than that of Silver Surfer's speed, he has no defense against someone who can literally move faster than time as accurately as Goku can.
Sure, Thanos has omniscience. But in a forum scenario, he is going to be a few meters away from Goku, and nothing will happen until AFTER the fight begins. MUI Goku is more than fast enough to snag the gauntlet before it even registers to Thanos that the fight has begun. MUI Goku is able to move infinitely faster than SS, even in short range. Goku won't have to fly light years away and build up speed, and then still be unable to react to his own speed and fail to snag the gauntlet.
In the instant that the fight starts, MUI Goku moving at full speed will have grabbed the gauntlet before Thanos can react, and before his omniscience, time control, etc, even come into play.
Originally posted by Galan007
You're not grasping the concept that his omniscience was TURNED OFF, yet he STILL managed to out-react a massively FTL blitz. Had his omniscience been active, Surfer's blitz would have been countered before it even happened, because Thanos would have already known every single move he was going to make.Exact same logic applies here. You're acting like Goku will be able to 'get the jump' on a fully omniscient being whom also possesses absolute mastery over the very flow of time/space itself... The dick-riding is unreal.
SSJGOGETA didn't read the comics anyway...
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
2. Thanos did not react to the Silver Surfer's movement, even though he still had control over time. His mastery over time is one of the most underexplored aspects of the IG, outside of time travel showings. Regardless, the point is that time control =/= infinite reaction time or speed.
In fact when he depowered himself he strictly imposed extrasensory limitations.
Originally posted by Astner
Because Thanos had intentionally limited his power in that scene, if you look at the full page we can see Thanos restoring his power in the bottom right panel.In fact when he depowered himself he strictly imposed extrasensory limitations.
Good post. I was close to upload the scans but you perfectly did the job. 👆
Infinity Gauntlet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zeno.
Maybe he thinks that because Goku figured out how to counter Hit's time-skip, that he is now "faster than time" across the board.
He's probably one of the people who believes that Jiren has blanket immunity to ALL temporal attacks, just because he broke free of Hit's time cage, lol.
As I mentioned above, he's throwing around this hysterically nonsensical non-logic like it's supposed to mean something here. I just can't...
