FOX vs. MCU

Originally posted by Nibedicus
If she survived the blast, we can certainly revisit her durability. But for now, the only thing we see is Surtur hitting her with a planet buster and her vanishing and not being seen again (unlike Surfer who we see waking up). Her dying at this point would be a reasonable assumption.

We don’t need to see Galactus’ durability. Surfer could have been blasting empty space and we can just extrapolate the power from the explosion generated.

The Tsar Bomba at 50 megatons has an explosice radius of 2.3 kms. Surfer’s explosion dwarfed the entire planet.

Bottom line, Hela has nothing that can hurt the Surfer if he uses his phasing. And Surfer has the tools and the power to hurt Hela.

Well if it was a serious explosion Earth should have been affected.

Yet we see that somehow Earth is right next to it and had 0 damage. And again, it isn't a feat like Thor's blast on Sokovia which actually obliterated solid ground, buildings, metals, and anything in that city.

As i said, dispersing dust isn't that impressive.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yeah Legion's powers are certainly a threat. But i think Hela would impale him before he can actually do something.

I think he could just turn the spike into steam before it hit him. Machine guns couldn't do shit to him (and I think we all know how OP they were in Ragnarok) and he could just pull off that stopped time bs if things got bad.

Whats to stop him from immediately mind-raping everyone except Vision?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Well if it was a serious explosion Earth should have been affected.

Yet we see that somehow Earth is right next to it and had 0 damage. And again, it isn't a feat like Thor's blast on Sokovia which actually obliterated solid ground, buildings, metals, and anything in that city.

As i said, dispersing dust isn't that impressive.

The explosiom happend quite far from Earth.

https://youtu.be/ftB76sTs6Bs

0:50

Around 2.5 Earth diameters distances away at its center from the looks of it. Which would be over 30,000 kms. Safe to assume it was far enough for the explosion to not majorly impact Earth.

Also, if we wanna be pedantic about it, shockwaves don’t reallt travel in a vacuum. The weird shockwave at the end could be simply Galactus-matter being disperesed and that pieces flung that hit the Earth’s atmosphere would either bounce off or burn up upon entry.

I meant 2:50, not 0:50 but edit is broken.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
The explosiom happend quite far from Earth.

https://youtu.be/ftB76sTs6Bs

0:50

Around 2.5 Earth diameters distances away at its center from the looks of it. Which would be over 30,000 kms. Safe to assume it was far enough for the explosion to not majorly impact Earth.

Also, if we wanna be pedantic about it, shockwaves don’t reallt travel in a vacuum. The weird shockwave at the end could be simply Galactus-matter being disperesed and that pieces flung that hit the Earth’s atmosphere would either bounce off or burn up upon entry.

Yeah, and still it's as you say, cloud dust being dispersed.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yeah, and still it's as you say, cloud dust being dispersed.

It’s not the dust dispersion, it’s the exposion that happened.

Again, we can take out Galactus entirely and just measure how big the explosion was.

God that's so ****ing stupid.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It’s not the dust dispersion, it’s the exposion that happened.

Again, we can take out Galactus entirely and just measure how big the explosion was.

A firework in the sky clearly looks a bigger explosion than a granade doesn't it?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
A firework in the sky clearly looks a bigger explosion than a granade doesn't it?

It’s not bigger, just uses brighter colors and slower burns due to the special powder used. A grenade eplosion happens very quickly to force as fast an air expansion as possible. The rest of the firework are separate and slower burns/flashes (not explosions) that are spread out by the initial pop. And a lot of ghe bigger fireworks actualy carry more power than a grenade (the danger from a frag grenade is from the fragmentation, not explosion).

And your comparison is irrelevant. Surfer created a single visible explosion. The dust dispersion that happened after is completely separate. And the fact that the dust dispersion seems to be moving at near light speed seem to point to the amount of energy it generated.

Isn't like i doubt the blast being powerful, but there is no real scale to measure it.

If Galactus would have been a physical body then we could argue that it was powerful enough to wrip Galactus appart or some sort of thing like that, but dispersing dust isn't something you can use to actually scale an explosion.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It’s not bigger, just uses brighter colors and slower burns due to the special powder used. A grenade eplosion happens very quickly to force as fast an air expansion as possible. The rest of the firework are separate and slower burns/flashes (not explosions) that are spread out by the initial pop. And a lot of ghe bigger fireworks actualy carry more power than a grenade (the danger from a frag grenade is from the fragmentation, not explosion).

And your comparison is irrelevant. Surfer created a single visible explosion. The dust dispersion that happened after is completely separate. And the fact that the dust dispersion seems to be moving at near light speed seem to point to the amount of energy it generated.

Again, there is no actual thing to compare it with. Dust is dust, it holds no resistance.

Ain't like it destroying concrete or some sort of hard material to actually say it can evaporate Hela's overwhelming durability.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Isn't like i doubt the blast being powerful, but there is no real scale to measure it.

If Galactus would have been a physical body then we could argue that it was powerful enough to wrip Galactus appart or some sort of thing like that, but dispersing dust isn't something you can use to actually scale an explosion.

Actually, I can quantify the explosion.

Here is an online calculator that measure megaton yield and blast radius.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Resources/Calculators/NuclearExplosions.html

A simple comparison of the explosion relative to Earth from my post above shows that the explosive radius would be at least close to Earth’s. Which is around 6k km radius.

From the calculator, I was able to compute a value of 6 billion megatons needed to generate a fireball close to what the Surfer generated.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Again, there is no actual thing to compare it with. Dust is dust, it holds no resistance.

Ain't like it destroying concrete or some sort of hard material to actually say it can evaporate Hela's overwhelming durability.

Dude, what part of “extrapolate force via size of explosion” seem to difficult to get here?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually, I can quantify the explosion.

Here is an online calculator that measure megaton yield and blast radius.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Resources/Calculators/NuclearExplosions.html

A simple comparison of the explosion relative to Earth from my post above shows that the explosive radius would be at least close to Earth’s. Which is around 6k km radius.

From the calculator, I was able to compute a value of 6 billion megatons needed to generate a fireball close to what the Surfer generated.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Dude, what part of “extrapolate force via size of explosion” seem to difficult to get here?

Fireball? There was no fireball in the scene.

The Red Light produced in the middle of Galactus is likely Galactus own power. We saw the same Red light appearing before the Surfer's explosion whilst he was going into the cloud.

https://www.youtube.com/

min 2:16.

Also, it ain't a normal explosion. You can actually see a vaccum occuring first, in where the cloud clearly contracts to later be dispersed by what appears a sonic wave.

Isn't like you can use normal explosions to compare it.

Without anything to compare it we would just be assuming things

That's why I ain't supporting the Surfer. Hela's got better solid feats to support her.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Fireball? There was no fireball in the scene.

The Red Light produced in the middle of Galactus is likely Galactus own power. We saw the same Red light appearing before the Surfer's explosion whilst he was going into the cloud.

https://www.youtube.com/

min 2:16.

Also, it ain't a normal explosion. You can actually see a vaccum occuring first, in where the cloud clearly contracts to later be dispersed by what appears a sonic wave.

Isn't like you can use normal explosions to compare it.

[B]Without anything to compare it we would just be assuming things

That's why I ain't supporting the Surfer. Hela's got better solid feats to support her. [/B]

https://youtu.be/ftB76sTs6Bs

2:50 pause it exactly here.

Um, you mean the explosion that happened right after we see the Surfer exploding that exploded Galactus (against his will) which either killed him or BFR’d him from the meal he wanted was actually Galactus and not the Surfer? And it’s sonic now?

Wait wot now?

A bit as desperate, don’t you think?

You know sonic waves (w/c is basically just vibrations usually from air molecules) doesn’t generate light right?

The red explosion in the Galactus cloud happened at 2:50, Surfer’s explosion w/c is the same color as explosion started at 2:47. Pause it at both instances and compare.

You also understand that until now, you haven’t addressed the fact that Surfer phases.

What is Hela gonna so va phasing?

Ask Vision for help?

Can Vision even affect phased objects tho? Wouldn’t they basically just phase thru each other?

Isn't Surfer useless if you knock him off his board?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Isn't Surfer useless if you knock him off his board?

No, you need to cut/disrupt his access to the board via some quantum plot device tech thingie they came up with.