FOX vs. MCU

Originally posted by Nibedicus
https://youtu.be/ftB76sTs6Bs

2:50 pause it exactly here.

Um, you mean the explosion that happened right after we see the Surfer exploding that exploded Galactus (against his will) which either killed him or BFR’d him from the meal he wanted was actually Galactus and not the Surfer? And it’s sonic now?

Wait wot now?

A bit as desperate, don’t you think?

You know sonic waves (w/c is basically just vibrations usually from air molecules) doesn’t generate light right?

The red explosion in the Galactus cloud happened at 2:50, Surfer’s explosion w/c is the same color as explosion started at 2:47. Pause it at both instances and compare.

I have seen the minute 2:50 and those seem the same lights Galactus was casting whilst SS was getting into him.

What sort of Tongue Twister is that?

If this was comics galactus we were talking i would give him the win, but a cloud featless galactus....He doesn't even have an armor to argue that explosion to be massive.

My bad, shockwaves. And that's why i said somekind.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I have seen the minute 2:50 and those seem the same lights Galactus was casting whilst SS was getting into him.

What sort of Tongue Twister is that?

If this was comics galactus we were talking i would give him the win, but a cloud featless galactus....He doesn't even have an armor to argue that explosion to be massive.

My bad, shockwaves. And that's why i said somekind.

Again, we can have a quantification based on the explosion itself. Why is Galactus even needed? The size of the explosion determined now powerful it is. Not 100% precise but we can at least get an idea of the order of magnitude that we are talking about when figuring out how powerful Surfer can be if he goes all explodey.

But let’s step back

Any chance you would address the fact that Surfer was very liberal in the use of phasing? And that Hela would literallg have zero chance to hurt him if he just phases?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Again, we can have a quantification based on the explosion itself. Why is Galactus even needed? The size of the explosion determined now powerful it is. Not 100% precise but we can at least get an idea of the order of magnitude that we are talking about when figuring out how powerful Surfer can be if he goes all explodey.

But let’s step back

Any chance you would address the fact that Surfer was very liberal in the use of phasing? And that Hela would literallg have zero chance to hurt him if he just phases?

Okay, we are just debating on earthly numbers as if the explosion was a normal one.

Hela wouldn't be able to hurt him. But nor would the Surfer UNLESS he decides to go nuke, which would result in his team dying along with him.

Also, there is no evidence that the surfer is immune to Vision's Mind Gem. We saw the surfer feeling energy blasts AKA Dr Doom's.

Vision's laser beams should be dangerous enough. Also, there is still Vision's mind-control abilities.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, we are just debating on earthly numbers as if the explosion was a normal one.

Hela wouldn't be able to hurt him. But nor would the Surfer UNLESS he decides to go nuke, which would result in his team dying along with him.

Also, there is no evidence that the surfer is immune to Vision's Mind Gem. We saw the surfer feeling energy blasts AKA Dr Doom's.

Vision's laser beams should be dangerous enough. Also, there is still Vision's mind-control abilities.

Well the surfer wouldn't die but his team would.

And there is still no evidence of Hela dying to Surtur's planetary attack. Also Vision would likely not get hurt.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I feel like a serious Legion should be able to scratch his ear and have half of team 2 embedded in the other half. The show has barely scratched what he can do.

I dunno about ear-scratching, but it looks like we might see David go HAM at some point in S2. Because the way they talk in the trailers, people seemingly aren't sure who the biggest threat actually is. Legion or Shadow King. Shadow King is batshit insane and evil, but the way they talk, Legion's power could destroy everything.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Isn't Surfer useless if you knock him off his board?

It's not that easy to do though. Physical force alone doesn't seem enough, at least based on what was shown onscreen. Reed and them needed a bunch of time and prep to build a set of devices to generate a tachyon pulse. They then needed to set them up in a perfect circle, and then lure the Surfer inside before triggering them. Which was also only possible due to the assistance of the US army, who lost several troops and vehicles in the process when they encountered the Surfer.

So yeah, these aren't exactly conditions that you can replicate during a random fight.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Well the surfer wouldn't die but his team would.

And there is still no evidence of Hela dying to Surtur's planetary attack. Also Vision would likely not get hurt.

What has Hela tanked that is even within miles of the neighborhood of Surfer’s full power? Surfer is like the worst opponent Hela could face. A fast ranged attacker that can phase and has enough power to hurt her.

We can discuss Vision separately.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
What has Hela tanked that is even within miles of the neighborhood of Surfer’s full power? Surfer is like the worst opponent Hela could face. A fast ranged attacker that can phase and has enough power to hurt her.

We can discuss Vision separately.

Thor's most powerful lightning.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Thor's most powerful lightning.

That was pretty powerful but i doubt that was even in the megaton range. What did it destroy?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
That was pretty powerful but i doubt that was even in the megaton range. What did it destroy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8fuqhGS-qc

I would like to know if Surfer could withstand such a blast... Not only it obliterated Odin's Keep. Which by the way, ain't made of earthly materials.

Such a blast is clearly above anything the Surfer took in F4 2.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8fuqhGS-qc

I would like to know if Surfer could withstand such a blast... Not only it obliterated Odin's Keep. Which by the way, ain't made of earthly materials.

Such a blast is clearly above anything the Surfer took in F4 2.

Surfer was at ground zero when he detonated. He even made it clear that the blast was meant to end them both.

How is Thor’s blast “clearly above”?

It obliterated a chunk of the keep sure. But Surfer’s Galactus blast is so many magnitudes greater, it’s not even funny.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Isn't Surfer useless if you knock him off his board?

Sorry but a tachyon pulse generator isn't so thing you pull out your ass. Tachyons even gave Dr. Manhattan trouble as they stopped him from seeing the future.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, we are just debating on earthly numbers as if the explosion was a normal one.

Hela wouldn't be able to hurt him. But nor would the Surfer UNLESS he decides to go nuke, which would result in his team dying along with him.

Also, there is no evidence that the surfer is immune to Vision's Mind Gem. We saw the surfer feeling energy blasts AKA Dr Doom's.

Vision's laser beams should be dangerous enough. Also, there is still Vision's mind-control abilities.

Vision has never mind controlled anyone. Doom never hurt Surfer

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, we are just debating on earthly numbers as if the explosion was a normal one.

Hela wouldn't be able to hurt him. But nor would the Surfer UNLESS he decides to go nuke, which would result in his team dying along with him.

Also, there is no evidence that the surfer is immune to Vision's Mind Gem. We saw the surfer feeling energy blasts AKA Dr Doom's.

Vision's laser beams should be dangerous enough. Also, there is still Vision's mind-control abilities.

No, he went far away from earth to neutralize galactus.

Regardless if think it was just smoke, which it wasn't, because smoke cant exist in space, it was how big its size relative to how big the earth was.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Surfer was at ground zero when he detonated. He even made it clear that the blast was meant to end them both.

How is Thor’s blast “clearly above”?

It obliterated a chunk of the keep sure. But Surfer’s Galactus blast is so many magnitudes greater, it’s not even funny.

Okay, there is clearly a different between receiving a blast and you producing the Blast. Surfer outcasted the energy that destroyed Galactus, ain't like he himself was striked by such an impact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnfmmp_Kjek

Thor clearly stated that the lightning that stroke Hela was his most powerful one. Which means, it is more powerful than Sokovia's blast.

Originally posted by Blindside12
Vision has never mind controlled anyone. Doom never hurt Surfer

Vision mind-controled Ultron.

Vision's got the Mind Gem in his head, there is no evidence to claim he can't.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, there is clearly a different between receiving a blast and you producing the Blast. Surfer outcasted the energy that destroyed Galactus, ain't like he himself was striked by such an impact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnfmmp_Kjek

Thor clearly stated that the lightning that stroke Hela was his most powerful one. Which means, it is more powerful than Sokovia's blast.

Casting something does not make you immune to its effects. He specifically stated that the blast was meant to be the end for both of them.

(2:08)

https://youtu.be/ftB76sTs6Bs

“This is the end for us both”

Otherwise, they would never even included that line of dialogue.

As per Odin, without his hammer he can’t focus his energy as well.

Most powerful lightning or biggest? Can’t renember. Do you have the exact quote?

The Sokovia blast wasn’t just focused by the hammer (he absorbed it into the hammer and released it in one strike), the vibranium allowed them to practically direct the force of the blast directly and reverberate it into the ground. You will know that a smaller, well positioned focused blast can have a stronger effect than an unfocused yet very powerful blast (a single nuke placed at the heart of a giant asteroid can shatter it, whilst every nuke in the world hitting its surface would only blast off some rock).

The giant lightning bolt he threw seemed very scattered. Much of it was still flowing when Hela and him were thrown off the balcony they were on.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Vision mind-controled Ultron.

Vision's got the Mind Gem in his head, there is no evidence to claim he can't.

No he didn't, he severed his connection to the internet.

MvF rule states if it didn't happen on screen, it can't be used here.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Casting something does not make you immune to its effects. He specifically stated that the blast was meant to be the end for both of them.

(2:08)

https://youtu.be/ftB76sTs6Bs

“This is the end for us both”

Otherwise, they would never even included that line of dialogue.

As per Odin, without his hammer he can’t focus his energy as well.

Most powerful lightning or biggest? Can’t renember. Do you have the exact quote?

The Sokovia blast wasn’t just focused by the hammer (he absorbed it into the hammer and released it in one strike), the vibranium allowed them to practically direct the force of the blast directly and reverberate it into the ground. You will know that a smaller, well positioned focused blast can have a stronger effect than an unfocused yet very powerful blast (a single nuke placed at the heart of a giant asteroid can shatter it, whilst every nuke in the world hitting its surface would only blast off some rock).

The giant lightning bolt he threw seemed very scattered. Much of it was still flowing when Hela and him were thrown off the balcony they were on.

Not necessarily due to the fact that the explosion impacted him.

I mean, you can clearly notice that it is like if the Surfer is releasing energy from his body. Perhaps it was more of him getting depowered or drained that would represent a threat.

Also as I said before, this ain't a normal explosion. We can't really compare it with an Earthly one.

All the clips of that scene seem to be cut for the moment. But i clearly recall it stating that it was Thor's biggest/most powerful lightning.

By that Odin was trying to say that the hammer wasn't his source of power. Which means that by such point Thor didn't longer needed the hammer.

Thor is now independent of the hammer.

One way or another Hela received an impact that could rival Sokovia's with 0 damage. Also, there is no evidence the Surfer is immune to such levels of power.

Originally posted by Blindside12
No he didn't, he severed his connection to the internet.

MvF rule states if it didn't happen on screen, it can't be used here.

Which is basically hacking his mind...Lol.

The mind stone has control over anything sentient in the universe, that includes AI.

I remember seeing the Mind Stone hacking Hawkeye, which results to be the same gem Vision is carrying in his head. There is no evidence to say the mind stone doesn't work the same way.