Jane Thor is performing brain surgery. Given the extreme meticulousness of brain surgery, I’m not sure why this is being treated as anywhere near her maximum hand speed. This is why neurosurgeons spend hours on single surgeries while Jane performs multiple surgeries sumultaneously. A person types far faster than one would perform brain surgery. I don’t see how reading books fast is a physical speed feat.
Also, due to the enormously greater surface area of a jet, air friction would be far greater than on a scalpel. Softer lead on bullets that double the speed of sound and have to endure barrel friction don’t melt.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
You should be talking to Rage. He brought up the [false] comparison to Flash for the Jane Thor feat saying he can't imagine a character outside of a Flash doing what she did.I corrected him, more accurately appraising the feat and giving two feats by non-Flash characters that are easily far above the feat. I also brought up Quicksilver first as a character that could easily replicate that feat, before the two you mentioned.
Bruh, I mentioned the Flash, because he's the benchmark for speed and the type of precision needed to accomplish brain surgery is something you'd only see someone like him do regularly.
I wasn't trying to start a comparison war to DC characters. But I've learned my lesson now. I'll avoid mentioning any character from DC so I don't trigger anyone I guess....
Re: How fast is Thor?
Originally posted by krisblaze
How fast do you think Thor is?There seems to be two trains of thought, one being that he's practically peak human and the other that he is FTL.
More than a long winded debate where Abhi eventually defecates on the sidewalk outside Rage's trailer I'm just curious as to how fast people consider him?
Perception and movement I suppose, with and without Mjolnir.
I think an ftl argument takes more proof then "tagging" someone. Speedsters get tagged all the time. Captain Boomerang?
I do think Mjolnir is ftl.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
How are you impressed by that feat but now Supergirl transcribing several quintillion lines of code in a literal eye blink.
No one is saying it’s the greatest single speed feat ever. But it is high level. Plus, there is a toonish quality to Supergirl’s book. Surfer backhand slaps a planet across the cosmos but some don’t want to count that.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ah, I just noticed. The scalpels actually melt and she switches them.Complex brain surgery, including the initial incisions (Skull, tissue, and into the brain), treatment and removal on multiple patients simultaneously in a few moments before they all die is a ridiculously impressive application of speed I could only imagine the Flash accomplishing. And they weren't even normal tumors, they were growing, evil tumors that fought back.
Even more impressively, this was her first time using speed at this level as she never had to before, which I think pretty much sums up this thread.
It's a good feat.
Not sure how to quantify it, but I'm sure some wanna be Sheldon will calculate how much speed is needed to melt surgical steel.
If Thor typed out a quintillion lines of code in a second, it wouldn't count because the keyboard was able to survive the strokes at that speed, so clearly it wasn't very fast.
Originally posted by cdtm
It's a good feat.Not sure how to quantify it, but I'm sure some wanna be Sheldon will calculate how much speed is needed to melt surgical steel.
Same.
Tbh, I just thought it was really cool, and showed how fast Thor could be. It was done effortlessly out of necessity. It also showed how Aaron further viewed Thor's super speed. We have evidence of Thor fighting at FTL speeds and punching each other across lightyears. Some argue that this doesn't require legitimate super-speed, it's nice confirmation that duh, it does.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If Thor typed out a quintillion lines of code in a second, it wouldn't count because the keyboard was able to survive the strokes at that speed, so clearly it wasn't very fast.
Byrne actually covered that with his invention of an extendible electro-chemical aura. 😉
It explains buildings holding together, and has been extended to protect people.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If Thor typed out a quintillion lines of code in a second, it wouldn't count because the keyboard was able to survive the strokes at that speed, so clearly it wasn't very fast.Same.
Tbh, I just thought it was really cool, and showed how fast Thor could be. It was done effortlessly out of necessity. It also showed how Aaron further viewed Thor's super speed. We have evidence of Thor fighting at FTL speeds and punching each other across lightyears. Some argue that this doesn't require legitimate super-speed, it's nice confirmation that duh, it does.
Thor's had unarguable speed feats before, but always subsonic. This is the first one you could argue is much, much faster.
Aaron taking a stance on an issue that other writers avoided addressing for decades is a positive check to his credit in my book.
Originally posted by cdtm
Byrne actually covered that with his invention of an extendible electro-chemical aura. 😉It explains buildings holding together, and has been extended to protect people.
I was just joking. But 100% some would argue that exact same thing which is what made it funny. Anyways, I wasn't trying to bait you but thanks for the info. 👆
How fast would you rate Thor under Aaron then based on combat showings?
Gladiator traveled Galaxies in the time it took Heimdall of all people to blink AND struck him accurately across that distance (I.e. reflexes and precision needed to deal with hundreds X ftl):
Jane reacted, and beat him to the punch mid-flight as he chased her down.
I'm curious as to where you stand. Do you think he ignored Gladiator's speed? Because he was aware and even gave him Silver Age wankery five pages before that.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bruh, I mentioned the Flash, because he's the benchmark for speed and the type of precision needed to accomplish brain surgery is something you'd only see someone like him do regularly.I wasn't trying to start a comparison war to DC characters. But I've learned my lesson now. I'll avoid mentioning any character from DC so I don't trigger anyone I guess....
This crybaby.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't know what Supergirl did. They actually showed Jane doing her ft.
Originally posted by cdtm
It's a good feat.Not sure how to quantify it, but I'm sure some wanna be Sheldon will calculate how much speed is needed to melt surgical steel.
-If you low-ball it going by the scalpels melting at those speeds you would get low sonic speeds. (But admittedly we shouldn't because real life items tend to hold up much better in super speeds in comics than they would in reality.)
-If you go by narration, Jane specifically said she was moving like lightning to do the feat, which would be like a ~Mach 200 feat on average.
-The other way, try to compare it with human perceptions.
It may be rough so no one come for my head.
A normal human surgery for tumors may last a few hours on average, but let's high ball it and say each person there would have taken a human surgeon a full 24 hours to work on, to try to account for unknown factors. I counted 6 patients, so a week's worth of work. And going by the length of the scene I'd say Jane took a minute at most to do it. So maybe 6 days worth of man-hours done in 60 seconds.
So one second would feel like almost 2 and a half hours for her. A reaction time of like 116 microseconds.
For comparison a bolt of lightning lasts anywhere from 10 to 50 microseconds.
Well, we went 4 pages before a scan for Superman and co. was posted. Some kind of record tbh. Now that we've got the obligatory bullshit out of the way.
How do people rate Thor's speed, especially post-Aaron?
Is he competitive with classic flying bricks when he flies with Mjolnir? Without it, how fast is he now that we know he has classical forms of super-speed (God of Thunder can move with the speed of lightning etc.).
