TLJ Kylo and Rey vs. TPM Qui-Gon and Kenobi

Setting: Mustafar

Starting distance: 50 feet

Who wins?

Originally posted by Stigma
Setting: Mustafar

Starting distance: 50 feet

Who wins?

Obi and Qui Gon i'd say.

Kylo and Rey seem to have better force powers but they'd get slaughtered in a saber fight.

Kylos the main threat here (Sans any silly plot device Mary Sue moments from Rey). But not sure if Im ready to put Ren on par with Darth Maul.

What did Qui Gon do to impress people? Fought some droids. Got killed by Darth Maul.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Kylos the main threat here (Sans any silly plot device Mary Sue moments from Rey). But not sure if Im ready to put Ren on par with Darth Maul.

I don't think Kylo is above Darth Maul in terms of sword skill. Forcewise, i think Kylo>>Maul.

However, I don't think Kylo's force powers will be of great use against a the team.

Originally posted by Surtur
What did Qui Gon do to impress people? Fought some droids. Got killed by Darth Maul.

Qui Gon lost to Maul due to the circumstances of the fight.

We saw Qui Gon withstooding Maul in the dessert pretty well.

Originally posted by Surtur
What did Qui Gon do to impress people? Fought some droids. Got killed by Darth Maul.

Well a lack of feats doesnt make someone useless.

He was clearly a bit above TPM Kenobi though (for the most part). And we were told he was a Council Tier Master.

Obi Wan, in every single era of his career was suseptable to force powers while in combat. He has been force TKd and disabled in literally every fight he ever had against a sith on screen with the exception of an old aged vader.

Ren will ragdoll him.

We're left with Qui Gon holding his own for an extended battle against Maul, who is beyond anyone weve seen Rae and Ren fight, but then they have fought eachother, if that counts for anything.

I bring this up to draw attention to the fact that Maul never attempted a TK push on Qui Gon. Now its totally interpretation from here on out, that if he COULD jave gotten the upper hand against QG with the force, he would have. Perhaps we can assume Maul sensed QG was not suseptable to such an attack?

If QG has a better force defense than Obi Wan, id say he outskills Ren in combat, leaving obi wan to outskill rae, because she has not demonstrated a force push or forrce lift while in combat.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I don't think Kylo is above Darth Maul in terms of sword skill. Forcewise, i think Kylo>>Maul.

However, I don't think Kylo's force powers will be of great use against a the team.

I mean overall approx on par with Maul, when we combine Saber skills and Force powers. Maybe.

But then again, I dont see Snoke being Mauls boss either so...

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Qui Gon lost to Maul due to the circumstances of the fight.

We saw Qui Gon withstooding Maul in the dessert pretty well.

And Maul in the movies wasn't that impressive. They had a brief fight in the desert.

The circumstances that caused him to lose were that he was forced to fight Maul alone. Obi Wan was blocked off, and he died.

From a "moves-only" canon it seems clear that PT duelists are far beyond Kylo and Rey. Maybe team 1 will actually try to use telekinesis in combat when they conveniently don't against the cheap-man's-red-guards, in which case it becomes a little less clear.

Originally posted by Surtur
And Maul in the movies wasn't that impressive. They had a brief fight in the desert.

The circumstances that caused him to lose were that he was forced to fight Maul alone. Obi Wan was blocked off, and he died.

Actually it was more of Qui Gon's fighting style and age that made him lose. Maul had the terrain advantage due to Qui Gon's fighting Style being inappropiate for it.

This can clearly be noticed, since Obi Wan was able to defeat Maul due to having a different fighting style to Qui Gon's.

This match however i believe is in an open terrain, where Qui Gon's fighting style suits him well, just like we saw it in the dessert.

^ Qui-Gon collapsed after their fight in the dessert.

Maul was just better.

Kylo and Rey sucked. They get slaughtered. Even if they had Snoke on their team. The Last Jedi had the lamest force users ever. They sucked with Sabers and did nothing special with the force .

Either qui or obi solo

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Actually it was more of Qui Gon's fighting style and age that made him lose. Maul had the terrain advantage due to Qui Gon's fighting Style being inappropiate for it.

This can clearly be noticed, since Obi Wan was able to defeat Maul due to having a different fighting style to Qui Gon's.

This match however i believe is in an open terrain, where Qui Gon's fighting style suits him well, just like we saw it in the dessert.

Obi Wan defeated Maul with a well time shot and a lot of luck. Prior to that, Maul already had him beat. So it wasn't his fighting style at all that gave him the win.

Okay I guess thinking about it...Kylo lost to someone who had never even used a lightsaber before. That's kinda sad actually.

So I don't think Qui Gon necessarily has to be awesome to win.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Obi Wan defeated Maul with a well time shot and a lot of luck. Prior to that, Maul already had him beat. So it wasn't his fighting style at all that gave him the win.

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Originally posted by FrothByte
Obi Wan defeated Maul with a well time shot and a lot of luck. Prior to that, Maul already had him beat. So it wasn't his fighting style at all that gave him the win.

I believe my friend that you haven't watched the Phantom Menace.

Obi Wan out-speed, outmaneuvered, out-powered, and out-smarted Maul. It was only Maul's force-push that caught Obi Wan offguarded.

In the end Maul was defeated.

And no, Qui Gon's fighting style was inadequate for Close Quarter's combat style. Maul had the advantage.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
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