By the way I need to point this out since it was refuted by a judge, and I may have wished to use it again. Silver Surfer's transmutation feat was completely performed with his Power Cosmic and life force. He didn't simply hack the illuminatrix (the massive moon-sized machine that transformed entire worlds into Zenn-La.)
https://imgur.com/MueD6Ds
https://imgur.com/XdUZ4pI
As seen below he destroyed it first.
http://postimg.org/image/a2onnzjgt/
Then using his own power cosmic as specifically mentioned and later his life force, he transformed all those thousands of planets and everything on them back to normal.
http://postimg.org/image/4ttmq411p/
Not only that but rings created from his own body (his own power) protected his two humans friends from the machine's effects.
https://imgur.com/ODJQZh9
https://imgur.com/Tc1K7be
And after the Silver Surfer performed said feat, again it is mentioned clearly that he used his power cosmic and his own life force.
So I see no reason why this wouldn't be a viable tactic since SS performed this massive feat under his own power. To me the comic goes to great length to make it clear what Silver Surfer did, "That wave of cosmic energy Norrin sent across the world--across the universe."
Except....in the comic it says:
The Surfer used our own technology against us!
Edit: and from the recap page:
'Overpowered and alone, the Surfer had no choice but to HACK THE ILLUMINATRIX and destroy the TEMPLATE'
He didn't destroy the machine. He destroyed it's template. Once it was destroyed, things were reverted back to normal. In the case of the Zenn-Lavians, there was no more 'normal', as their default template WAS the destroyed template. So they became blank slates.
yeah, plus....seems common sense that ss isn't simply transmuting any hammers. i mean how many times does he have to fight thor for that to be clear. galactus couldn't transform it imo. there almost had to be context behind a series of feats that would literally DWARF all of his previous feats. i mean transforming 1000s of planets at will? he'd be FAR past herald if that were true--again, galactus doesn't have a feat like that. /shrug
Hey guys Id Pm'd me
"Id" wrote on Apr 4th, 2018 09:56 AM:
Do you want to take my spot and advance to the next round? I have love-work-school to juggle and I dont think I can invest as much time to handle the latter rounds.
I relied to him saying I was burnt out a bit and maybe he should let damborgson knlw b4 the 3 way was decided (since there was talk of a tie). If he still wants to drop maybe DS could continue on
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except....in the comic it says:The Surfer used our own technology against us!
Edit: and from the recap page:
'Overpowered and alone, the Surfer had no choice but to HACK THE ILLUMINATRIX and destroy the TEMPLATE'
He didn't destroy the machine. He destroyed it's template. Once it was destroyed, things were reverted back to normal. In the case of the Zenn-Lavians, there was no more 'normal', as their default template WAS the destroyed template. So they became blank slates.
In your own scan Shalla Ball states that Surfer purged that image from across the Cosmos. Shalla also claims Zenn La culture has been wiped out by the hand of SS.
Plus he destroyed the machine its right there in the scans broken to pieces.
http://postimg.org/image/a2onnzjgt/
http://postimg.org/image/4ttmq411p/
Anyway I completely agree with this.
Originally posted by Naija boy
This is accurate, he didnt use the illuminatrix to do it, he used his power cosmic and flat out says it. The code is simply the comic book based scientific explanation of the method through which the reality restructuring /matter manipulation is initiated. Surfer used his power cosmic to generate the same effect but in a destructive capacity across thousands of planets spanning the universe via an alternative and much stronger code.
But if this tactic is deemed to controversial of whatever by Damborgson no problem.
yeah, plus....seems common sense that ss isn't simply transmuting any hammers. i mean how many times does he have to fight thor for that to be clear. galactus couldn't transform it imo. there almost had to be context behind a series of feats that would literally DWARF all of his previous feats. i mean transforming 1000s of planets at will? he'd be FAR past herald if that were true--again, galactus doesn't have a feat like that. /shrug
When has common sense mattered in comics. If the writers want Hal to beat Krona, then they will create the Krona Buster. But there's not any context behind Loki putting his soul into mjolnir right. 😂
But anyway my intention since we have the same judges throughout I guess,was too see if my tacit is consider legal going forward. I'm not interested in re-arguing this battle.
Originally posted by beatboks
Hey guys Id Pm'd meI relied to him saying I was burnt out a bit and maybe he should let damborgson knlw b4 the 3 way was decided (since there was talk of a tie). If he still wants to drop maybe DS could continue on
Because I wouldn't like to essetnially invalidate the 3 way match, I think what we might have to do is another 3 way when LoB vs Bentley has been judged.
Same rules, single post, 2 winners.
Then those 2 winners will face each other in the final with standard tournament formatting.
Thoughts/discussion?
Originally posted by Supermutant
By the way I need to point this out since it was refuted by a judge, and I may have wished to use it again. Silver Surfer's transmutation feat was completely performed with his Power Cosmic and life force. He didn't simply hack the illuminatrix (the massive moon-sized machine that transformed entire worlds into Zenn-La.)https://imgur.com/MueD6Ds
https://imgur.com/XdUZ4pIAs seen below he destroyed it first.
http://postimg.org/image/a2onnzjgt/
Then using his own power cosmic as specifically mentioned and later his life force, he transformed all those thousands of planets and everything on them back to normal.
http://postimg.org/image/4ttmq411p/
Not only that but rings created from his own body (his own power) protected his two humans friends from the machine's effects.
https://imgur.com/ODJQZh9
https://imgur.com/Tc1K7beAnd after the Silver Surfer performed said feat, again it is mentioned clearly that he used his power cosmic and his own life force.
So I see no reason why this wouldn't be a viable tactic since SS performed this massive feat under his own power. To me the comic goes to great length to make it clear what Silver Surfer did, "That wave of cosmic energy Norrin sent across the world--across the universe."
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IMS-H979gMQ/WZRY_Kb5K_I/AAAAAAAArJw/HrpzSvjfJdMEWsLLUd64x-E3f9zvsorZgCLcBGAs/s1600/023_0016.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q7q3H33pHhQ/WZRZAIjb2KI/AAAAAAAArJ4/t6exyApvMq4f6pmJSMrdov8p-jAou0DpQCLcBGAs/s1600/023_0017.jpg
It's a very impressive feat but rather out of context.
Just my two cents.
Originally posted by Supermutant
In your own scan Shalla Ball states that Surfer purged that image from across the Cosmos. Shalla also claims Zenn La culture has been wiped out by the hand of SS.
Well yes. When he used Zenn Lavian tech.
Anyway I completely agree with this.
Naija boys summary isn't proof, lol. The writer'srecap page and summary is.
But if this tactic is deemed to controversial of whatever by Damborgson no problem.But anyway my intention since we have the same judges throughout I guess,was too see if my tacit is consider legal going forward. I'm not interested in re-arguing this battle.
Shouldn't you have done this......BEFORE the match?
Ultimately, fine, I lost. But it hinged on a tactic that was illegal, and should have been cleared beforehand. A single post tourney is fine and dandy, but it opens things up to shenanigans like this. I could've posted in my scans that Creel was an abstract based on his recent showings in Black Bolt....and if the judges didn't know any better, they'd have swallowed it hook line and sinker, if they hadn't read it themselves.
Leo summoned a one use sword thst Osborne had broken, and isn't standard equipment. That was caught out as well. Smurph burdened me with proof of Creel absorbing the Mother storm, when he's absorbed a cosmic cube AND has absorbed sentient characters before - fair enough that I had to prove it further before I could convince him.
But you got caught out by one judge, and I would be interested to know if the other two judges had read that issue before and/or these posts.
If they have, and they still think as you do (low, they disagree with the writer's summary) then fair enough, I'll shut up about it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well yes. When he used Zenn Lavian tech.
Which he clearly destroyed before his cosmic wave + life force reached across the cosmos to undue the Illuminatrix effects. The comic even specifically states that he did more than just a simple hack reversal.
"It not just reversing what those Zenn-Laavians did"
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Naija boys summary isn't proof, lol. The writer'srecap page and summary is.
Hacking the code to rewrite it and using his own power to send it out is much different than what is being allegedly. That he used the actual Illuminatrix itself, when the first thing he did was destroyed it.
Naija stated it better than I could have and it doesn't contradict the summary page. Also if the Illuminatrix wasn't destroyed, it could be used again to tranform again, and the Zenn-La culture wouldn't be lost forever, as the comic repeatedly says.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Shouldn't you have done this......BEFORE the match?Ultimately, fine, I lost. But it hinged on a tactic that was illegal, and should have been cleared beforehand. A single post tourney is fine and dandy, but it opens things up to shenanigans like this. I could've posted in my scans that Creel was an abstract based on his recent showings in Black Bolt....and if the judges didn't know any better, they'd have swallowed it hook line and sinker, if they hadn't read it themselves.
Leo summoned a one use sword thst Osborne had broken, and isn't standard equipment. That was caught out as well. Smurph burdened me with proof of Creel absorbing the Mother storm, when he's absorbed a cosmic cube AND has absorbed sentient characters before - fair enough that I had to prove it further before I could convince him.
But you got caught out by one judge, and I would be interested to know if the other two judges had read that issue before and/or these posts.
If they have, and they still think as you do (low, they disagree with the writer's summary) then fair enough, I'll shut up about it.
Why, I saw nothing wrong with this tactic and still don't. SS has way back change Stormbreaker which is made of the same uru and has the same enchantments. Plus you claimed that Odin's enchantments doesn't work anymore or something like that, so SS wouldn't even need to bypass that.
But SS has on panel change the composition of an uru hammer and quickly at that. As many times as Creel has touched mjolnir, he has never received the power of the mother storm or anything else other than become uru himself.
The resistance to this is really surprising but whatever I already sent Damborgson a pm about changing my character.
Originally posted by Supermutant
Which he clearly destroyed before his cosmic wave + life force reached across the cosmos to undue the Illuminatrix effects. The comic even specifically states that he did more than just a simple hack reversal."It not just reversing what those Zenn-Laavians did"
Hacking the code to rewrite it and using his own power to send it out is much different than what is being allegedly. That he used the actual Illuminatrix itself, when the first thing he did was destroyed it.
Naija stated it better than I could have and it doesn't contradict the summary page. Also if the Illuminatrix wasn't destroyed, it could be used again to tranform again, and the Zenn-La culture wouldn't be lost forever, as the comic repeatedly says.
Why, I saw nothing wrong with this tactic and still don't. SS has way back change Stormbreaker which is made of the same uru and has the same enchantments. Plus you claimed that Odin's enchantments doesn't work anymore or something like that, so SS wouldn't even need to bypass that.
But SS has on panel change the composition of an uru hammer and quickly at that. As many times as Creel has touched mjolnir, he has never received the power of the mother storm or anything else other than become uru himself.
The resistance to this is really surprising but whatever I already sent Damborgson a pm about changing my character.
Lol, k. As I said, am interested in what the judges thought before reading these last few pages and Phildos ruling, and after.
The comic specifically tells us what he destroyed, and how it restored the heroes:
Originally posted by Supermutant
When has common sense mattered in comics. If the writers want Hal to beat Krona, then they will create the Krona Buster. But there's not any context behind Loki putting his soul into mjolnir right. 😂
😕
of course there was no context behind that. it had never been done, so how could it be lacking context....? all the ingredients for the plan were taken from on panel feats though. i knew it would be a stretch convincing judges based the evidence i used, but there was certainly nothing sly about it, and nothing was "left out". i mean i even identified a weakened odin, and balder and thor WILLINGLY allowing the mind meld. not sure how i could have been more transparent.
and the sword? it was a magical creation--basically a spell given shape. not sure how that could possibly be seen as non-standard equipment. phil didn't know if i could recreate it so quickly i guess, but that didn't make the attempt illegal...
anyway, all these are reasons i hate single post events. /shrug
As a judge, I don't want to get into this. The fact that many people disagree with your assessment [and they're right, imo - as I've had the same thoughts], should speak volumes on why you shouldn't have used this. Not in these circumstances, at least, where there was zero counter-arguments. In a rebuttal-based fight? Go for it. Crazier claims have been made. For you it's not enough that the recap explicitly states that Surfer hacked the machine and modified the code to erase Zen-La culture. For you it's not enough that the characters from of Zen-la specifically state Surfer used their own machine against them. For you it's not enough... etc. Ok, fine. This isn't a matter of convinging you.
But..
To say Surfer can transmutate multiple Mjolnirs into cardboards is a very big claim that requires quite the extraordinary evidence. You presented it as clear-cut, when it was anything but, taking advantage of the fact that it could not be countered. You omitted a lot of scans. A few of them have already been posted here.
Leo didn't mislead, since he posted all the pages of Loki and his sword. Because there's all there was to it. My interpretation was that Loki doesn't have a stash of them, and there's too many variables to make it clear-cut that he can just snap it into existence. But that's a matter of interpreting the scene, not Loki using explicitly using a hidden Asgardian machine to forge the sword into existence. The Surfer one is a different beast entirely.
