If He Be Worthy - Tournament Invitation

Just to add one last thing to Phildos post.

Leo's stupidity in using the sword, whilst laughable and foolish, wasn't the linchpin of his plan, at least. Sure, he threw it out, but it wasn't the first thing he did, nor was it the base on which everything else was built.

Once you remove the transmutation, or at least, the success of it, he had wasted precious seconds. Which meant Leo had a shield and magnetised and thrown his spirit into his ass and fired off maple leaves or whatever, and I had clapped several times.

Leo, I still don't not hate you. A little.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, plus....seems common sense that ss isn't simply transmuting any hammers.

lol Except he has already done so.

https://imgur.com/9d3Rqqb
https://imgur.com/0HNZSEu

So by your own words your tactic has never been done before. DS admitted that Creel has never absorbed the Mother Storm. My tactic is the only one that has actually been done before on panel. Yet DS called it illegal and you seem to indicate that is was sly or something.

I don't see how my tactic is any more "illegal" or "sly" than you two. And for the record, I don't consider them illegal or sly just like my own.

As a judge, I don't want to get into this. The fact that many people disagree with your assessment [and they're right, imo - as I've had the same thoughts], should speak volumes on why you shouldn't have used this. Not in these circumstances, at least, where there was zero counter-arguments. In a rebuttal-based fight? Go for it. Crazier claims have been made. For you it's not enough that the recap explicitly states that Surfer hacked the machine and modified the code to erase Zen-La culture. For you it's not enough that the characters from of Zen-la specifically state Surfer used their own machine against them. For you it's not enough... etc. Ok, fine. This isn't a matter of convinging you.

But..
To say Surfer can transmutate multiple Mjolnirs into cardboards is a very big claim that requires quite the extraordinary evidence. You presented it as clear-cut, when it was anything but, taking advantage of the fact that it could not be countered. You omitted a lot of scans. A few of them have already been posted here.

Leo didn't mislead, since he posted all the pages of Loki and his sword. Because there's all there was to it. My interpretation was that Loki doesn't have a stash of them, and there's too many variables to make it clear-cut that he can just snap it into existence. But that's a matter of interpreting the scene, not Loki using explicitly using a hidden Asgardian machine to forge the sword into existence. The Surfer one is a different beast entirely.

Many people don't disagree with my assessment. So far it just you and my opponents. Abhi doesn't count for obvious reasons.

For you its not enough that the Surfer is shown destroying the machine before his cosmic wave can reach thousands of other planets.

For you its not enough that Surfer transform the uru of Stormbreaker with Odin right there looking bewildered.

For you its not enough that multiple times in the actual comic and not just a summary page, its specifically states Surfer was using his Power Cosmic and Life force. B/c a summary page will list every detail and not just you know a summary.

The Surfer used what he learned from the hack to destroy the code with his own power. Nothing in that comic states that he used the actual machine which he first destroyed.

Honestly if the other judges believe they made an error then I have no problem stepping aside. Doesn't mean that much too me either way. I definitely was not the one pushing for a 1-post BZ. If I wanted an easy victory I would have just went on to the second round uncontested.

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol Except he has already done so.

https://imgur.com/9d3Rqqb
https://imgur.com/0HNZSEu

So by your own words your tactic has never been done before. DS admitted that Creel has never absorbed the Mother Storm. My tactic is the only one that has actually been done before on panel. Yet DS called it illegal and you seem to indicate that is was sly or something.

I don't see how my tactic is any more "illegal" or "sly" than you two. And for the record, I don't consider them illegal or sly just like my own.

i know i don't have to explain the nature of these things--how plans in these are extrapolated from on panel proof. if you can't see the difference between what i tried to do and what you did, not much left to say. i didn't leave out context that could muddy the waters. judges deemed i didn't show enough support. fine. it was a risk i took. but the feats used to presuppose the possibility of it working were complete and context free.

we've seen additional evidence provided that shows the feat you used MAY not have happened the way you claimed. and as phil pointed out, the issue with using a scene that can be viewed in different ways is that in THIS type of match, only ONE viewpoint gets presented. and yeah, it seems common sensical to me that ss isn't simply transmuting the hammer, or transforming 1000s of planets on his own, but, maybe that's just me.

again, whatever. match is done and if you use the feat again cool, the situation is different and it can be rebutted. the main point is ds sucks and chose a terrible character so should be gone. 👆

I agree 100%

DS is a disgusting person and deserves to be banned.

Lol all this crying and whining is unnecessary. If I would had lost, then I would have simply moved on. Damborgson I'm not going to derailed your tourney, so I'll just withdraw.

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol Except he has already done so.

https://imgur.com/9d3Rqqb
https://imgur.com/0HNZSEu

So by your own words your tactic has never been done before. DS admitted that Creel has never absorbed the Mother Storm. My tactic is the only one that has actually been done before on panel. Yet DS called it illegal and you seem to indicate that is was sly or something.

I don't see how my tactic is any more "illegal" or "sly" than you two. And for the record, I don't consider them illegal or sly just like my own.

FYI.

Woah, hold on there !

Everyone shut the **** up for a few hours until I make an official ruling on this once I get to a keyboard.

Lol you couldn't missed an opportunity to try and downgrade surfer could you. Odin and Surfer combine their power to resurrect Bill. Odin beside looking astonished and calling it blasphemous did nothing to help Surfer change stormbreaker fyi.

What does it matter? He won and no judge even agreed with it (except the Dig Marky, who mostly felt DS fell because of everything against him, and his big attack is a lightning bolt). He just doesn't bring it up for next time is all.

agreed. the issue was raised, which led to discussion, as it was bound to. done and over with imo. i'm fine with moving on. i do think it was worth discussing though but now it's done and no hard feelings on my end at least.

No hard feelings for you maybe. This issue has soured me on the Supermutant brand, and he's going to need to get a good PR team to get my business back.

But I have nothing to do with this tournament. Just know I'll be in the corner somewhere... seething.

FWIW, I think the "1000s of planets" part of Surfer's feat is mostly irrelevant to the question of whether or not Surfer could depower Mjolnir, which is what Super Mutant was setting out to do; he wasn't just trying to turn the hammers into cardboard, but powerless cardboard, which was what I took issue with.

Neither that feat nor the Stormbreaker one actually showed Surfer depowering a hammer (one was reversing a transformation that may have just been cosmetic?, and the other was making some changes to Stormbreaker... but importantly, not simply dismissing the enchantments or Odin Force etc). If you want to claim that Surfer can depower Mjolnir, you gotta be able to show him doing that on panel, or doing something similar with a powerful magical object... or at least build an argument that he could based on similar feats.

As for the Spellbreaker stuff, that didn't even come in to my judgment really, so meh, I have no opinions on the matter.

All that said, I don't think the background context of those scans makes or breaks Super Mutant's argument. This definitely doesn't seem like an issue worth withdrawing over.

I have very hard feelings for some posters 🙂

Originally posted by Supermutant
Lol you couldn't missed an opportunity to try and downgrade surfer could you. Odin and Surfer combine their power to resurrect Bill. Odin beside looking astonished and calling it blasphemous did nothing to help Surfer change stormbreaker fyi.

In fact the new hammer had no magical power and as soon as Asgard was restored stormbreaker reverted to its original state.

Okay sorry for the wait everyone.

Here's how things are at the moment.

I've caught up on Silver Surfer, and from the best I can interpet it, this is what comes to mind:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Yewi25O9F_s/Vz6El9kNyDI/AAAAAAAUoag/lq0ugBn8BwooamvRlZxnqPXf3bGl7tQUgCLcB/s1600/35_05.jpg

Shala Bal says that Surfer used their own tech against them, and seeing as how Surfer first went to the Illuminatrix or to perform the feat where he sent the counter code that undid the damage across the universe, I can only assume that it wasn't entirely under his power to do so. Not saying that anyone else could have done what he did, just that the machine was a sort of catalyst to get it done. Like he simply reversed the effects on Mjolnir through the machine, and amplified them across the universe with his power cosmic. So therefore, it's very unlikely that he could do that himself

THAT SAID, Surfer still possesses matter manipulation powers and Supermutant is more than free to argue the point should he choose to, to be able to transform Mjolnir to cardboard. But now, where it will be 3 posts 1v1 matches, he can get a rebuttal to it and if he happens to convince the judges of it, then more power to him. The 3v3 battle at these levels of power with Mjolnir in the mix became a very difficult to judge match, but just because that option seems less likely to work doesn't mean Silver Surfer still doesn't have a tremendous amount of option to go his way in a BZ.

THAT SAID, I should have put a stop to BZ post discussion from the beginning, but I wasn't expecting Supermutant to bring it up himself.

Supermutant, you can tell me on here or through PM, but are you still interested in participating?

If so, judges I will need you to please disregard what you saw in this thread. It will be up to the poster to prove one way or another, because now it's not a 3 way match and bringing in prior knowledge is not in the spirt of the BZ, the opponent will have to defend against the claims themselves.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is that downplaying Surfer? Stormbreaker was Depowered and Odin gave his power to Surfer to remodel it.

In fact the new hammer had no magical power and as soon as Asgard was restored stormbreaker reverted to its original state.

Of course I disagree with your opinion, but you do raise an interesting point that the new hammer had no magical power. Which is exactly why I choose the tactic.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Okay sorry for the wait everyone.

Here's how things are at the moment.

I've caught up on Silver Surfer, and from the best I can interpet it, this is what comes to mind:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Yewi25O9F_s/Vz6El9kNyDI/AAAAAAAUoag/lq0ugBn8BwooamvRlZxnqPXf3bGl7tQUgCLcB/s1600/35_05.jpg

Shala Bal says that Surfer used their own tech against them, and seeing as how Surfer first went to the Illuminatrix or to perform the feat where he sent the counter code that undid the damage across the universe, I can only assume that it wasn't entirely under his power to do so. Not saying that anyone else could have done what he did, just that the machine was a sort of catalyst to get it done. Like he simply reversed the effects on Mjolnir through the machine, and amplified them across the universe with his power cosmic. So therefore, [B]it's very unlikely that he could do that himself

THAT SAID, Surfer still possesses matter manipulation powers and Supermutant is more than free to argue the point should he choose to, to be able to transform Mjolnir to cardboard. But now, where it will be 3 posts 1v1 matches, he can get a rebuttal to it and if he happens to convince the judges of it, then more power to him. The 3v3 battle at these levels of power with Mjolnir in the mix became a very difficult to judge match, but just because that option seems less likely to work doesn't mean Silver Surfer still doesn't have a tremendous amount of option to go his way in a BZ.

THAT SAID, I should have put a stop to BZ post discussion from the beginning, but I wasn't expecting Supermutant to bring it up himself.

Supermutant, you can tell me on here or through PM, but are you still interested in participating?

If so, judges I will need you to please disregard what you saw in this thread. It will be up to the poster to prove one way or another, because now it's not a 3 way match and bringing in prior knowledge is not in the spirt of the BZ, the opponent will have to defend against the claims themselves. [/B]

So Smurph judgement doesn't change even with my "illegal" tactic. I'm interested in what Digi has to say. I think its very silly and I'm using that word instead of some choice others to basically accuse me of trying to get over on judges as knowledgeable as Smurph and Digi.

Especially with the one making the initial claim alleges that Creel who has always been Uru Man when touching mjolnir instead is Mother storm mjolnir. So, claiming something that has never happen is legal but something that has happen SS changing the composition of uru is illegal.

So let's just see how the very legal mjolnir man will do. DS tears have convince me.

Bran its your all your fault, your scans in the Surfer respect thread started this whole mess

I certainly don't claim it as an illegal move. The judges chose to give you the nod, one of them didn't. You still advanced and things will proceed differently from now on.

But do you wish yo continue or are you going to surrender your spot to DS? Give it a day to make the decision with a cooler head if you'd like.

Originally posted by Supermutant
So Smurph judgement doesn't change even with my "illegal" tactic. I'm interested in what Digi has to say. I think its very silly and I'm using that word instead of some choice others to basically accuse me of trying to get over on judges as knowledgeable as Smurph and Digi.

Mutant: I was unaware of a couple of those Surfer scans - notably the potentially extremely haxx Mjolnir transmutation trick

Besides, I said bupkis about it until you brought it up and defended it further.

So man with the tears? Only from you.

I lost, it is what it is. I feel partially vindicated by Damborgs post, so will leave it at that.

It's hard getting judges, and it being a one post tourney doesn't help. I've judged before, and I know it can be pressured.

That said, when Damborg named the judges I trusted them, and there was an implied consent that I would follow their ruling.

So I will. Supermutant, congratulations on your victory, you did well.