Originally posted by Tzeentch
Why argue about it? It'll be a matter of objective record once they inevitably go through all his computer history.
Like holy ****, right-wingers who aren't alt-right... just disavow this shit openly and clearly. It's antithetical to your principles, and they are acting out of principles and values that are not your own so conceding their horseshit doesn't in anyway cast an intellectually honest aspersion on your own political beliefs just because you happen to be on the same wing as them.
And lefties, when Surtur or I or someone else posts a story about some regressive bullshit happening becuz "muh political correctness" (such as a professor saying all white people are racist, or a dude being sentenced over a joke, or antifa using politically motivated violence), ****ing disavow that shit too if you don't agree with it on principle. Disavowing it isn't giving into some "gotcha" moment by the right-wingers, because there's nothing to get you on if you clarify that it's not your principles that are being acted out just because you happen to be on the same political wing.
Like this shit is annoying, can people just admit to the bad shit on their political wing and recognize for themselves and people on the other political wing that their wing having regressive ***** on it isn't a reflection of everyone on that political wing when some people on that political wing don't share the same regressive principles the alt-right or regressive left have?
Originally posted by EmperordmbThe problem leftists are trying to point out is that if you’re White you don’t get generalized with these white terrorists. But if you’re brown, you DO get generalized with ISIS or whatever.
And yet people will inevitably go back and forth with each other over this anyways, and if it's an alt-right person the leftists will treat it like some "HA GOTCHA" moment... even though most of the righties here don't hold the views emblematic of the alt-right. And yet for some reason some of the righties will play into the gotcha moment, get all defensive and Flytractor will probably post something about the leftist fascists or whatever.
White people historically haven’t had to answer for the actions of other white people. If a white guy sees the Stoneman Douglas shooter on the news, he can just say that guy’s a crazy and not identify with him. If a brown Muslim guy sees the Orlando shooter on the news, he is automatically identified in the same group as the shooter and has to now defend his autonomy.
Originally posted by Firefly218
The problem leftists are trying to point out is that if you’re White you don’t get generalized with these white terrorists. But if you’re brown, you DO get generalized with ISIS or whatever.White people historically haven’t had to answer for the actions of other white people. If a white guy sees the Stoneman Douglas shooter on the news, he can just say that guy’s a crazy and not identify with him. If a brown Muslim guy sees the Orlando shooter on the news, he is automatically identified in the same group as the shooter and has to now defend his autonomy.
this is where we'll predicably hit a brick wall of pure intellectual dishonesty and weaponized fallacies.
Except that's ideology based generalization. Most white people aren't white supremacists, whereas Muslims are Islamic. This has more to do with cultural and ideological generalization, which I still don't think is fair, but I don't think it's racial. I think the link people draw between Islamic terror and Muslims is "oh that terrorism was motivated by Islam, clearly a horrible ideology and culture" rather than "oh Islamic terror? They must've done it because they were brown!"
I don't agree with generalizing all muslims in that manner, let me just make that clear. I as a Christian have my own experiences getting grouped in with anti-gay sentiment, science deniers, "holier than thou" *****, etc.
Values principles and beliefs can clearly vary within a religious group, but no racial generalizations and religious generalizations aren't the same thing. It would be more akin to lumping in right-wingers as a whole with a white dude who commits right-wing terrorism than it would lumping all white people in with that guy.
And the idea that people don't ascribe collective guilt to white people is a bit absurd when quite a few people expect whites to do some mea culpa for slavery or Jim Crow or the other tragedies of the past.
Originally posted by Surtur
He just regurgitates anything his professors tell him.Ask him how many genders there are and get ready to laugh.
I have seen the gender bit before. What I really want to know is who came up with some of them. I mean I am actually pretty neutral on the subject overall, but some of the ones I have seen have left me a bit confused. Like this one:
Vapogender: a gender that sort of feels like smoke; can be seen on a shallow level but once you go deeper, it disappears and you are left with no gender and only tiny wisps of what you thought it was
I shit you not. That is a real one, taken from a genderfuild support site.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
...and childish personal attacks. i forgot that one.but deflecting from american politics to south africa? didn't see that one coming kinda
It's not a deflection when his statement did not specify white Americans. Because, spoiler alert, not all of us who post are from the US.
Originally posted by EmperordmbYeah. Most white people are not white supremacists and most brown people are not religious extremists. It’s the same thing.
Except that's ideology based generalization. Most white people aren't white supremacists, whereas Muslims are Islamic. This has more to do with cultural and ideological generalization, which I still don't think is fair, but I don't think it's racial. I think the link people draw between Islamic terror and Muslims is "oh that terrorism was motivated by Islam, clearly a horrible ideology and culture" rather than "oh Islamic terror? They must've done it because they were brown!"I don't agree with generalizing all muslims in that manner, let me just make that clear. I as a Christian have my own experiences getting grouped in with anti-gay sentiment, science deniers, "holier than thou" *****, etc.
Values principles and beliefs can clearly vary within a religious group, but no racial generalizations and religious generalizations aren't the same thing. It would be more akin to lumping in right-wingers as a whole with a white dude who commits right-wing terrorism than it would lumping all white people in with that guy.
And the idea that people don't ascribe collective guilt to white people is a bit absurd when quite a few people expect whites to do some mea culpa for slavery or Jim Crow or the other tragedies of the past.
If you say that all these terrorists are Islamic, it can also be said that all these white supremacists are Christian...
And as far as White people being accountable for slavery, that was a societal thing. Everyone in American White society collectively decided and agreed to enslave black people and treat them gruesomely like property.
And then white people just released black people and absolved themselves of any crimes and any horrible things they did. Nothing was a crime, let’s all just move on. What are black people supposed to do, just be grateful and quietly move along? Black people should be flying planes into towers, but they’re not. Instead they’re kneeling during the national anthem, and we still have mad White people.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerI’m speaking only about America. This thread is about Austin bombings, which takes place in America. The discussion is about American politics...
Firefly218 has never been to places like South Africa, where white people most certainly have and do get judged in that manner.
Originally posted by SurturMy professors don’t tell me anything about genders lol, they tell me how to query databases and construct entity relationship diagrams.
He just regurgitates anything his professors tell him.Ask him how many genders there are and get ready to laugh.
This just shows how brainwashed you are against education and “liberal” colleges by your orange leader