Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he didn't.
Odin said Mangog was weakened too.
Nothing to do with power.Well, he did.
Only for idiots like you maybe.
He didn't say Mango was weakened. He said he barely felt the hit.
Sure it does. Normal Odin shows dominance over hammer. Lesser Odin can't lift it above a millimeter.
Did he now? When did he in that scene?
Resorting to names so early. Like your buddy, u get angry too easily.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Sure he did.
No, he didn't.
He didn't say Mango was weakened. He said he barely felt the hit.
He said Mangog doesn't hits as hard as before.
Sure it does. Normal Odin shows dominance over hammer. Lesser Odin can't lift it above a millimeter.
Because of Mother Storm being awakened.
Jane must be some powerful chick if it was only power which allowed Odin to lift the hammer.
Did he now? When did he in that scene?
Later against King Loki and he only said to Freyja that Odin power needs time to rise.
Resorting to names so early. Like your buddy, u get angry too easily.
That's your default state.
But tell me, how did Odin get depowered?
Originally posted by EnzeruI wonder how he bypassed his fan made mental blocks to use up all his power. Lol. There is no way in hell a character with dynamic strength can use up his SUN based powers UNLESS he solely depends on the sun for his strength and powers. Superman is like a car using gas. A car stores gas and use it just like Superman stores sunlight and uses it. The faster a car goes the more gas it uses and the gas mileage starts to drop just like under stress superman starts using up more sunlight. That car cannot gain any more hp unless you add a turbo or nitrous oxide, the same as superman having to sundip to get any stronger. Run that car out of gas and it is powerless. Just like superman using up his stored sunlight and becoming powerless. Sun based powers and fan made mental blocks contradict each other.one cannot bypass the other. This is straight from a writers mouth.
In his fight against Ulysses (budget Sentry) Superman uses ALL OF HIS POWER in a destructive AOE, which barely manages to burn down the surface of one forrest. Seriously. Superman used up all of the energy stored in his body and barely managed to destroy a forrest. He was powerless for how long afterwards..? Weeks? LOL!
And that guy is supposed to beat galaxy busters? LOL!Someone like Hulk can replicate that feat by clapping his big jolly green hands together.
Get your Superdudebro-shit out of here. He gets stomped by any competent trans-level character and those are on average not even galaxy busters.
Originally posted by JBLA writer actually used this exact logic to say why Superman can't bypass mental blocks?
I wonder how he bypassed his fan made mental blocks to use up all his power. Lol. There is no way in hell a character with dynamic strength can use up his SUN based powers UNLESS he solely depends on the sun for his strength and powers. Superman is like a car using gas. A car stores gas and use it just like Superman stores sunlight and uses it. The faster a car goes the more gas it uses and the gas mileage starts to drop just like under stress superman starts using up more sunlight. That car cannot gain any more hp unless you add a turbo or nitrous oxide, the same as superman having to sundip to get any stronger. Run that car out of gas and it is powerless. Just like superman using up his stored sunlight and becoming powerless. Sun based powers and fan made mental blocks contradict each other.one cannot bypass the other. This is straight from a writers mouth.
This is something I have to see.
Originally posted by JBL
I wonder how he bypassed his fan made mental blocks to use up all his power. Lol. There is no way in hell a character with dynamic strength can use up his SUN based powers UNLESS he solely depends on the sun for his strength and powers. Superman is like a car using gas. A car stores gas and use it just like Superman stores sunlight and uses it. The faster a car goes the more gas it uses and the gas mileage starts to drop just like under stress superman starts using up more sunlight. That car cannot gain any more hp unless you add a turbo or nitrous oxide, the same as superman having to sundip to get any stronger. Run that car out of gas and it is powerless. Just like superman using up his stored sunlight and becoming powerless. Sun based powers and fan made mental blocks contradict each other.one cannot bypass the other. This is straight from a writers mouth.
Youre illiteracy isn't an argument. Superman has dynamic stats and only incredibly stupid people pretend otherwise. Period.
Originally posted by panthergodWhile it wouldn't exactly be wrong to compare him to a gas tank (he gets compared to a battery afterall), it's missing the very human aspect of him. Gas tanks can't just fluctuate wildly like a human can.
Youre illiteracy isn't an argument. Superman has dynamic stats and only incredibly stupid people pretend otherwise. Period.
A body only takes you so far, you need the mind to see it through. If I amp myself up through no external means I can make myself able to move more weight than if I just went in it like 'whatever'. I can hit harder if I'm really feeling it and pushing myself than if I just rest on my laurels with what I can currently do.
We have all sorts of media that also explore the depths of using the full capacity of your brain too, and how it'd make you bigger faster stronger, and whatever other shit you want to do with it.
Even humans can push their own limits and do everyday. Now imagine a fictional space God that doesn't get the proper venues to push himself as much as humans do?
And that's ignoring the showings of on panel dynamic strength too. That's just using logic.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Sentry ultra-weakened and depowered by his mental state against the Green Scar showed more power than Superman expanding all the energy inside his cells.After all, when stable he destroys planets casually while holding back.
Stay salty, kid. 👆
Sentrys all out attacks couldn't destroy an island. Hilarious.
A weakened divided Superman performance will never change that.
Originally posted by One Big MobSupermans mental blocks is not what his fans CLAIM them to be. Superman subconsciously holds back his great strength so that he does not have to constantly remind himself that he is around NORMAL human's. That's what his mental blocks are, not that crap his fans CLAIM. There is no writer dumb enough to have superman take so many ass whoopings knowing he only has to drop mental blocks to get back in the game.
A writer actually used this exact logic to say why Superman can't bypass mental blocks?This is something I have to see.
Originally posted by JBLHere's a test you could try if you're so inclined:
Supermans mental blocks is not what his fans CLAIM them to be. Superman subconsciously holds back his great strength so that he does not have to constantly remind himself that he is around NORMAL human's. That's what his mental blocks are, not that crap his fans CLAIM. There is no writer dumb enough to have superman take so many ass whoopings knowing he only has to drop mental blocks to get back in the game.
Walk up to what you can lift as your max, let's say a 25 pound dumbell. Try to lift it with all your might.
You might have failed, you might have passed, but you were putting all your effort into it.
Now, inject a shot of adrenaline straight into your heart and try to pick up the dumbell. You should now be able to pick up that dumbell a lot easier, and you're now completely amped up.
That is for lack of a better or more thought out comparison, Superman. Think of his dynamic strength as a shot of adrenaline (or just a rush of adrenaline) to a normal human. It might not kick in everytime, but when it does, he is going to be operating above his normal max. And when you're operating at those levels already, something like this would make him seem quite a bit more powerful.
Then you realize it's also a comic and understand that they can make this "adrenaline strength" whatever the **** they want to. IE, dynamic strength.
Originally posted by One Big MobI understand what you are saying. But in supermans and every other hero except for someone like the hulk who actually has dynamic strength, superman fans get hero time to win and make fans happy time confused with dynamic strength. Superman, CM, BA are very close in strength. Superman CANNOT will, drop mental blocks or do anything else to open up a gap between the 3 UNLESS he sunamp. It is a Canon fact stated in the comics. There are plenty of documented characters that are as strong, a little weaker, a little stronger and a lot stronger than superman. No where is it mentioned that superman can overcome that by his mindset. When he and CM arm wrestled, it was plain as day that they were VERY close in strength. Now if superman could have altered that, why did the writer lie or waste his time doing and stating that. CM does not have dynamic strength so why is he able to stalemate superman?
Here's a test you could try if you're so inclined:Walk up to what you can lift as your max, let's say a 25 pound dumbell. Try to lift it with all your might.
You might have failed, you might have passed, but you were putting all your effort into it.
Now, inject a shot of adrenaline straight into your heart and try to pick up the dumbell. You should now be able to pick up that dumbell a lot easier, and you're now completely amped up.
That is for lack of a better or more thought out comparison, Superman. Think of his dynamic strength as a shot of adrenaline (or just a rush of adrenaline) to a normal human. It might not kick in everytime, but when it does, he is going to be operating above his normal max. And when you're operating at those levels already, something like this would make him seem quite a bit more powerful.
Then you realize it's also a comic and understand that they can make this "adrenaline strength" whatever the **** they want to. IE, dynamic strength.
Originally posted by JBL
Supermans mental blocks is not what his fans CLAIM them to be. Superman subconsciously holds back his great strength so that he does not have to constantly remind himself that he is around NORMAL human's. That's what his mental blocks are, not that crap his fans CLAIM. There is no writer dumb enough to have superman take so many ass whoopings knowing he only has to drop mental blocks to get back in the game.
Still lying? Lol.
Superman has been established as subconsciously afraid of losing control and killing every HERO including top tiers like GL Gardner, JOnn, Captain Atom and Elemental Firestorm by ACCIDENT on panel since 1991 explicitly. Red Glass. Specifically shown to be his greatest fear. That is the directly gown basis on his mentally suppressing his innate power levels at his standard levels. That's he basis of DoS.
That's why Superman holds back. Period.
Questioning what I said is a concession you have nothing valid to say.
Originally posted by JBLI'm not into discussing what he can and cannot do once he gets the "dynamic strength", I'm just saying that these types of limit breaking powers are very much a part of humans, let alone comic characters. It doesn't help that dynamic strength means strength while moving so I'm not sure what the meaning we're using is (you seem to compare it to Hulk's amping).
I understand what you are saying. But in supermans and every other hero except for someone like the hulk who actually has dynamic strength, superman fans get hero time to win and make fans happy time confused with dynamic strength. Superman, CM, BA are very close in strength. Superman CANNOT will, drop mental blocks or do anything else to open up a gap between the 3 UNLESS he sunamp. It is a Canon fact stated in the comics. There are plenty of documented characters that are as strong, a little weaker, a little stronger and a lot stronger than superman. No where is it mentioned that superman can overcome that by his mindset. When he and CM arm wrestled, it was plain as day that they were VERY close in strength. Now if superman could have altered that, why did the writer lie or waste his time doing and stating that. CM does not have dynamic strength so why is he able to stalemate superman?
However, as I've always seen it, it's essentially an adrenaline amp when he 'busts his mental blocks', but as is common in the place of comics, it puts him vastly above his perceived limits to whatever degree they feel like doing. It's not a 1 to 1 amp like what happens to humans. It's something that can make him smash his 'limits'. Which makes it similar, but greater than what happens to us, and perhaps greater than this sort of thing existing in other characters. Which would make it unique to Superman. While Cap for example might experience the same thing, his limit breaking power would be below Supermans, hence why we give greater emphasis to this existing within Superman. What that would mean is that if they were perfectly equal, and both received this 'amp', Supermans strength might very well be way greater.
A phenomenon that could be explained by Superman essentially being a solar battery and calling on more power in these times of need.
For example, he turned beings that gave him incredible trouble at his non amped 'max' into essentially fodder, en masse.
I already said it might not kick in everytime though, and pretty much said what I just tried to explain.
It's a rare occurrence in the comics, and one I admittedly haven't looked into in quite a few years. I'm just throwing out my ideas on the topic and what I think everytime I see the term. And why it would differ from a gas tank.
The issue is, the forum rules open up this as a possibility. So while you might not see it in every fight in a comic, one could argue it a possibility in a forum fight. Superman could be portrayed as an exact equal to everyone but as long as they keep showing him bust his own limits, it's still an issue on the forum.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
It might not kick in everytime, but when it does, he is going to be operating above his normal max. And when you're operating at those levels already, something like this would make him seem quite a bit more powerful.Then you realize it's also a comic and understand that they can make this "adrenaline strength" whatever the **** they want to. IE, dynamic strength.
This is imo an easier way to define it as opposed to just mental blocks. Which I'm not saying isn't the case, it just gets muddy when you try to explain that he's just always holding back subconsciously.
Originally posted by JBL
I understand what you are saying. But in supermans and every other hero except for someone like the hulk who actually has dynamic strength, superman fans get hero time to win and make fans happy time confused with dynamic strength. Superman, CM, BA are very close in strength. Superman CANNOT will, drop mental blocks or do anything else to open up a gap between the 3 UNLESS he sunamp. It is a Canon fact stated in the comics. There are plenty of documented characters that are as strong, a little weaker, a little stronger and a lot stronger than superman. No where is it mentioned that superman can overcome that by his mindset. When he and CM arm wrestled, it was plain as day that they were VERY close in strength. Now if superman could have altered that, why did the writer lie or waste his time doing and stating that. CM does not have dynamic strength so why is he able to stalemate superman?
We've seen Superman one shot Cap and Adam specifically avoid Superman all out attack.
Cap and Adam are peers to a standard high tier level Superman. Superman subsequently learned to access more is mate power ckuding strength.
Post IC Superman directly physically overpowers 2-5 Kryptonian characters at least as physically powerful as either of them.
Your argument has been laughable for at least 15 years now.
Stop lying.
Originally posted by Enzeru
In his fight against Ulysses (budget Sentry) Superman uses ALL OF HIS POWER in a destructive AOE, which barely manages to burn down the surface of one forrest. Seriously. Superman used up all of the energy stored in his body and barely managed to destroy a forrest. He was powerless for how long afterwards..? Weeks? LOL!
And that guy is supposed to beat galaxy busters? LOL!Someone like Hulk can replicate that feat by clapping his big jolly green hands together.
Get your Superdudebro-shit out of here. He gets stomped by any competent trans-level character and those are on average not even galaxy busters.
YOUR SENTRY LUST AND HIS RETURN HAS ROBBED YOU OF YOUR SENSES!
I ABSOLVE YOU!
THIS ONE TIME!!!
Originally posted by panthergod
Still lying? Lol.Superman has been established as subconsciously afraid of losing control and killing every HERO including top tiers like GL Gardner, JOnn, Captain Atom and Elemental Firestorm by ACCIDENT on panel since 1991 explicitly. Red Glass. Specifically shown to be his greatest fear. That is the directly gown basis on his mentally suppressing his innate power levels at his standard levels. That's he basis of DoS.
That's why Superman holds back. Period.
Questioning what I said is a concession you have nothing valid to say.
And Hulk power has been stated to surpass the Celestials and is equal to that of the Phoenix force. Would you all accept it, hell naw so why would we accept any statement about Superman?