Originally posted by TheHulkster
P: Darkseid and Galactus seem awfully mismatched…JB: yeah. One of the problems was, setting it up in such a way that Galactus didn’t take out Apokolips in three panels! But I was able to do that—I just made him real hungry and therefore very weak
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/printer_friendly_posts.asp?FID=3&TID=18586
Nice pwnage ! 😄
The probes were generally inconsistent presumably because some where stronger than others.
nonsense. They were speciofically represented as mass produced automatons who had identical stats.
If memory serves a probe was taken out by a nuke, one by Aquaman’s trident invoking Poseidon, one by Hyppolita, one by Diana, etc.
Your memory does not serve.
No Probe was taken out by a Nuke. A Probe that withstood sustained attacks for hours from multiple top tier Earth Angels Comet and Blythe, a mid tier Matrix Supergirl, Galactus level B-13 tech, finaly got taken out by Black Lightnining who was amped by B-13 tech's Nuclear core. So... multiple top tier attacks, B-13 tech for hours, taniing attacks from BL for hours, then BL getring amped by B-13 tech powersource.
An armored Aquaman's Trident of Poseidon is a skyfather class edged weapon, Hypollyta was amped to above top tier levels via Gauntlet of Atlas and Sandals of Hermes+magick armor and only the Lasso of Truth pierced the Probe's neck joint. Another two destroyed themselves against the Lasso. An armored ( enhanced durability) Diana couldn't do shit to a PRobe shell with her Axe but pierced it from behind with a sheild edge to the neck joint.
No Probe got taken out by those characters by anything less than above top tier raw power, or vulnerability exploitation.
Still another one was fighting half the league including Kyle and Flash.
Wreck J'Onn , tanked Ion amped GL Kyle's attacks, caught the Flash, etc.
their first appearance the threw Mongul across star systems.
Tanked combined attacks from Mongul Jr. and a post Mongul Jr training rage amped Superman' Strikes/HV/FB speedblitz.
Cracked Class 100 Mongul Jr's ribs with one hand its fingers
Probes beat 100,000 solar powered Daxamites.
ignored double fisted strikes from Maxima
Killed Guy Gardner Warrior( Class 100), tearing a guy compared to DoS DD apart on a molecular level.
tanked--utterly ignored-- the combined attack of Dr. Light, Geo-Force and Halo.
A Probe was dominated the Zod Squad+Bizzarro until Russian Zod finally went all out himself
Imperiex Probes were WELL above top tier 100% of the time, their lowest end showings are
Only All Out Mode Superman, Pokolistan Zod(identical to Superman; originally meant to BE the Pre Crisis/Phantom Zone Krypton version of Superman), Skyfather class B-13, and Doomsday defeated an Imperiex Probe via their innate power. Everyone else external amps/uber weapons, used weak spot/edge weapon attacks.
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In general I would not use the probes to scale Superman in any way, beyond the direct comparison of his durability with Wonder Woman’s due to how they dealt with the explosion. Apart from that it’s good showing of him using his powers in combination, but little else.
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Translation: Anti Superman fans dont want Superman's feats to count.
Got it.
Yeah, Nothing you're saying is valid here.
Probes entire purpsoe in aprt were to be a measure of how much more powerful Sueprman can become when he goes all out. Cry about it.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
How are you going to ask me to prove something when you have not proven any of your earlier assertions and place a restriction on what I can use as proof. Plus I have posted “proof” throughout this thread.
1. Galactus was absorbing energy directly from Galactus. He's able to do this because of plot device connection to Galactus. He needed machines to drain others. Thus this tactic will not work on Superman.
2. OWAW Superman was shown visibly 5x or more powerful than normal Superman. A 5x Superman should be more powerful than the Tyrant that fought Gladiator, etc.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Sam Lane blew one up with a nuke, totally consistent. and do you say all of the probe feats somehow scales to Superman?
He had a nuke, amped by B13 tech, further channelled through Black Lightning and focussed at a single point. So yes, totally consistent in that it took extremes of power to do so. Furthermore, Luthor had been weakening the probe before the nuke even happened.
So it's not a low showing.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Terrible thread, I'd ask why it got this far but I already know
Yup.
Maybe if it was Depowered Tyrant, it would be interesting. Full power Tyrant? He'd be taking on Imperiex Prime. On top of that, Superman is a giant Solar battery. Not only is Superman an ant vs. a mastodon, he's an ant smeared in P&J.
This shit will go on for 15.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Right, so inconsistent. not really reliable to scale from, and IIRC to my knowledge the probes destroyed galaxies overtime.
I mean, Galactus needs the same time for a world.
https://s9.postimg.org/swyz32wsv/probemisc5-1.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...Zod took out some probes as well.
No he didn't.
https://s9.postimg.org/wtcaz2a2n/probemisc1-1.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/f3ame1rcv/probemisc2-1.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/do91pbijz/probemisc3-1.jpg
He had to sacrifice Ignition.
Edit: he might have done, do you have the scan? As my scans show him hurling wave after wave of doomed/failed attacks.
Originally posted by h1a8Your calculations mean nothing at all. Considering you think you’re so smart yet you’re too stupid to understand nobody values the bullshit numbers you produce.
1. Galactus was absorbing energy directly from Galactus. He's able to do this because of plot device connection to Galactus. He needed machines to drain others. Thus this tactic will not work on Superman.2. OWAW Superman was shown visibly 5x or more powerful than normal Superman. A 5x Superman should be more powerful than the Tyrant that fought Gladiator, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Galactus was absorbing energy directly from Galactus. He's able to do this because of plot device connection to Galactus. He needed machines to drain others. Thus this tactic will not work on Superman.2. OWAW Superman was shown visibly 5x or more powerful than normal Superman. A 5x Superman should be more powerful than the Tyrant that fought Gladiator, etc.
But like the others, Superman would be hooked up to the machine after being defeated. Plus, this is a continued straw man since this is a fully powered Tyrant.
Hunter Prey Doomsday is not 5x more powerful than regular Superman. At most he is 2x more powerful You see, Original powered Abomination dominates Hulk to a greater degree than DD dominates Superman and Abomb is only twice as powerful as Hulk at that point.
Hunter Prey DD looks more impressive against the probes than OWAW Superman. Thus, Supes is nowhere near 5x more powerful.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, over hours. That's...pretty damn quick, lol.I mean, Galactus needs the same time for a world.
https://s9.postimg.org/swyz32wsv/probemisc5-1.jpgNo he didn't.
https://s9.postimg.org/wtcaz2a2n/probemisc1-1.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/f3ame1rcv/probemisc2-1.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/do91pbijz/probemisc3-1.jpgHe had to sacrifice Ignition.
Edit: he might have done, do you have the scan? As my scans show him hurling wave after wave of doomed/failed attacks.
So you’re comparing feeding off a world to destroying one? How many worlds are blown up instantly by the Galactus Event?
So this is a contest of who eats faster! That scan also indicates that the aliens are keeping him busy and maneuvering into position. Not a good look,
Plus, Galactus’ nutritional needs are something different from what Imperiex is doing. When showing what it would be like if Galactus goes on a similar quest, he looks more impressive doing so.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
P: Darkseid and Galactus seem awfully mismatched…JB: yeah. One of the problems was, setting it up in such a way that Galactus didn’t take out Apokolips in three panels! But I was able to do that—I just made him real hungry and therefore very weak
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/printer_friendly_posts.asp?FID=3&TID=18586
http://m.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28956&PN=1&TPN=1
And Orion beating Silver Surfer, Thor, Hulk, Superman etc.
http://m.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18726&PN=0&TPN=2
What he says was not shown in the comic at all.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yup.Maybe if it was Depowered Tyrant, it would be interesting. Full power Tyrant? He'd be taking on Imperiex Prime. On top of that, Superman is a giant Solar battery. Not only is Superman an ant vs. a mastodon, he's an ant smeared in P&J.
This shit will go on for 15.
Forget about Superman.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Supes hasn't achieved all out OWAW mode ever again after that arc and IIRC OWAW Superman was empowered.
Only when he was sundipped.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
So this is a contest of who eats faster! That scan also indicates that the aliens are keeping him busy and maneuvering into position. Not a good look,Plus, Galactus’ nutritional needs are something different from what Imperiex is doing. When showing what it would be like if Galactus goes on a similar quest, he looks more impressive doing so.
Like a snake vs a human, I guess. Either way, the point that I was replying to, was that they only needed a few hours to destroy a whole galaxy and digest it, turning it into energy that he can use.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Byrne says the most random shit ever. Like Silver Age Superman being more powerful than Odin.http://m.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28956&PN=1&TPN=1
And Orion beating Silver Surfer, Thor, Hulk, Superman etc.
http://m.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18726&PN=0&TPN=2
What he says was not shown in the comic at all.
I don’t see anything outrageous. The scenario involves characters pulling from their fullest potential and he sees Orion drawing from The Source.
And he simply has a super high option of Silver Age Superman and sees Nefaria at that level. You seem to think that current Superman can beat Odin, so why differ with the character who sneezes out solar systems?
