Originally posted by Silent Master
Did you really just say that semi-automatics should be completely restricted to military and emergency law-enforcement use?
Yes. What about it?
I suspect this is going go full circle again with the evil tyrannical government/police state scenario and the argument that we need to be armed to defend ourselves from them...?
Originally posted by Silent Master
You realize that the vast majority of guns are semi-automatic, right?
Yes, and I'd be okay with a complete ban on those, too...but we've been discussing just the rifles, due to their greater destructive potential and their reoccurring role in brief but deadly mass shootings.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Longer range, larger rounds, higher ammo capacities, higher velocities, more severe wounds, and the capability to be converted to fully-automatic rate of fire.Was that a serious question?
Their longer range isn't applicable in 99.99999% of mass shootings, they actually don't have higher ammo capacities, converting them to automatic is illegal and while their rounds are larger, handguns can be reloaded faster and switching targets is also faster.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Their longer range isn't applicable in 99.99999% of mass shootings, they actually don't have higher ammo capacities, converting them to automatic is illegal and while their rounds are larger, handguns can be reloaded faster and switching targets is also faster.
You asked why they have a greater destructive potential, not how significant each property was in mass shootings, or what was legal to do to them and what wasn't.
Their longer range, rate of fire, and higher-capacity magazines certainly allowed to Las Vegas shooter to kill and wound as many people as he did from a safe distance.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
You asked why they have a greater destructive potential, not how significant each property was in mass shootings, or what was legal to do to them and what wasn't.Their longer range, rate of fire, and higher-capacity magazines certainly allowed to Las Vegas shooter to kill and wound as many people as he did from a safe distance.
So, you're basing your entire argument on 1 shooting?
BTW, rifles do not have higher-capacity magazines nor can they be fired faster.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
@EI did you read my reply, man?
I think you're absolutely right, and I agree that these tragedies do not imbue the survivors with any new specific knowledge or expertise, but rather a very real and personal understanding of the damage caused by things like the misuse of weapons and authority.
In the case of the Parkland kids, I don't consider them authorities on the issue of gun control, but they are certainly using their experiences to draw attention to certain issues.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
No, but honestly, that one shooting should have been enough to make changes to law to at least attempt to reduce gun violence.
What changes do you think should come about from that 1 shooting?
Edit: Going to sleep, will answer any response after I wake up.(didn't want anyone to think I was ignoring them)
Originally posted by Silent Master
What changes do you think should come about from that 1 shooting?Edit: Going to sleep, will answer any response after I wake up.(didn't want anyone to think I was ignoring them)
Also, from earlier, the largest standard rifle magazines typically hold more rounds than the largest standard handgun magazines. There are drums, but they're reputed to jam easily and hinder accuracy.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
After the Las Vegas shooting, I was of the opinion that all semi-automatic rifles, and modifying components like bump stocks, should have been outlawed nationwide, and a buyback program initiated.Also, from earlier, the largest standard rifle magazines typically hold more rounds than the largest standard handgun magazines. There are drums, but they're reputed to jam easily and hinder accuracy.
I hope you realize that legislating the tool doesn't modify behaviors, specifically.
Also, from earlier, the largest standard rifle magazines typically hold more rounds than the largest standard handgun magazines. There are drums, but they're reputed to jam easily and hinder accuracy.
This statement seems weird, show some evidence because only the ar-15 type or ACR type weapons have significantly larger magazine capazities and most 9mm have 15 round magazines some .22 have much larger capacities.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I did, Nibedicus. I meant to reply earlier, and I believe I misunderstood what you were asking the first time around.I think you're absolutely right, and I agree that these tragedies do not imbue the survivors with any new specific knowledge or expertise, but rather a very real and personal understanding of the damage caused by things like the misuse of weapons and authority.
In the case of the Parkland kids, I don't consider them authorities on the issue of gun control, but they are certainly using their experiences to draw attention to certain issues.
That’s just the thing, though.
I think the main objection people are voicing is the fact that the teens are being paraded as weaponied spokespeople by the media. Used to silence dissent (else be seen as practically child murderers) and discredit politicians and avoid debate. Personally, I don’t think the parading of these kids is even about gun regulations at all.
I’m not pro-gun myself, but these kinds of flagrant appeal to emotion manipulation by the media kinda feels insulting to me. Surely it is obvious and insulting to you?
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Wrong. Soldiers are trained for combat and many of them become hardened to being shot at and shooting back. They enlisted knowing they could be put in situations where their lives could be endangered, and they may have to kill others. That's war, though, not to be confused with civilian massacres, which are what's being discussed.Your average civilian is neither trained nor prepared for armed combat, nor should they have to be. In the richest and most powerful country in the world, nobody should have to be so fearful for their own lives, that they should feel the need to be armed at all times, much less with a semi-automatic rifle.
No, it doesn't, but it often demands drastic changes in lifestyle to prevent another, and that's the point being made here. Whether we're talking heart attacks or mass shootings, we should not be surprised that they constantly reoccur when no significant changes have been made since the last one.
Semi-automatic and fully-automatic rifles, as well as components used to convert them, should be completely restricted to military and emergency law-enforcement use, and outlawed for civilian use. It's becoming all too easy and common for people to purchase them to kill as many people as they can.
Neat! And not a single word typed means these uninformed hateful teens words should carry more weight.