Originally posted by Robtard
Oh boy, Surt gets a minor temp ban for acting like a complete fool and now he's acting like he's persecuted. All he had to do was cite a single example after he accused a Mod of being a hypocrite. How hard is that if it's true?Fact: I've been banned before; I didn't whine about it. Grow up.
Fact: there is not a single thing in the rules that says if you give an opinion about a mod you need to support it. Period. This will not be debated.
And I never said it is hard. If after I had said I don't want to discuss it here..he had merely asked me to PM him I probably would have. But he tried to compel me to justify my opinion of him lol. That just isn't gonna happen nor should it happen.
Set aside anything you feel about me and realize there is not a single thing in the rules about not justifying an opinion.
So it's odd you are telling me to grow up. I'm not the one banning people for no valid reason lol.
Originally posted by $urtur
Fact: there is not a single thing in the rules that says if you give an opinion about a mod you need to support it. Period. This will not be debated.And I never said it is hard. If after I had said I don't want to discuss it here..he had merely asked me to PM him I probably would have. But he tried to compel me to justify my opinion of him lol. That just isn't gonna happen nor should it happen.
Set aside anything you feel about me and realize there is not a single thing in the rules about not justifying an opinion.
So it's odd you are telling me to grow up. I'm not the one banning people for no valid reason lol.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/misc.php?action=rules
Rule #8: Moderators
Moderators are a group of volunteers who help maintain order on the forums. They help enforce the rules and make sure the forums are a fun place to be. Please remember that moderators are humans and not robots and if they make a decision that you disagree with you cannot argue with them in public. Instead contact them privately to resolve the matter, or contact the Administrator.
You broke this rule for one.
Also, you failed debating etiquette 101, if you are called out to prove something in an actual debate, then you must back it up with evidence. You sidestepped and danced around the issue, making it personal and then Backfire slapped you down.
Rule #7: Offensive Posts
There may be places where explicit, obscene or vulgar language, graphics or behavior is appropriate however KMC Forums is not one of them. Discussion forum posts that contain explicit, obscene or vulgar language will be removed. Similarly, discussion forum posts that solicit or offer explicit or X-rated GIFs, JPEGs or similar content files will be deleted without notice!
We generally use the PG-13 rating as a guideline as to what is allowed. If you don't know whether your post falls under the rating, contact a moderator immediately.
The thing is, you got personal with a Moderator directly, and when he gave you a chance to prove it, you decided to troll and go "Bah, don't have to prove shit, you are a hypocrite regardless of proof." And essentially pulled a Quan move. I do not know what possessed you to do that over a title change to something less generally offensive, but you went way overboard.
That being said, I do not thing you should get a perma, but I do think you should not have socked for no reason either. You are over comitting bro, let it go.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/misc.php?action=rulesRule #8: Moderators
Moderators are a group of volunteers who help maintain order on the forums. They help enforce the rules and make sure the forums are a fun place to be. Please remember that moderators are humans and not robots and if they make a decision that you disagree with you cannot argue with them in public. Instead contact them privately to resolve the matter, or contact the Administrator.You broke this rule for one.
Also, you failed debating etiquette 101, if you are called out to prove something in an actual debate, then you must back it up with evidence. You sidestepped and danced around the issue, making it personal and then Backfire slapped you down.
Rule #7: Offensive Posts
There may be places where explicit, obscene or vulgar language, graphics or behavior is appropriate however KMC Forums is not one of them. Discussion forum posts that contain explicit, obscene or vulgar language will be removed. Similarly, discussion forum posts that solicit or offer explicit or X-rated GIFs, JPEGs or similar content files will be deleted without notice!
We generally use the PG-13 rating as a guideline as to what is allowed. If you don't know whether your post falls under the rating, contact a moderator immediately.The thing is, you got personal with a Moderator directly, and when he gave you a chance to prove it, you decided to troll and go "Bah, don't have to prove shit, you are a hypocrite regardless of proof." And essentially pulled a Quan move. I do not know what possessed you to do that over a title change to something less generally offensive, but you went way overboard.
That being said, I do not thing you should get a perma, but I do think you should not have socked for no reason either. You are over comitting bro, let it go.
The reason given for the ban was not criticizing a mod. I'd try again.
And the other rule is one most here break and see no consequences for. Do better.
So, pony up the rule that says you need to back up an opinion.
Originally posted by $urtur
The reason given for the ban was not criticizing a mod. I'd try again.And the other rule is one most here break and see no consequences for. Do better.
So, pony up the rule that says you need to back up an opinion.
It's called debating mate, common sense dictates. Under law you would call it common law, or otherwise called laws lot written by the state.
The better question is, if you cannot prove it, why did you call Backfire a hyppocrite in the first place? He had no reason to conform precisely to your specifications, just like he doesn't have to under anyone elses. That's not hypocriticism. Thats not even favouritism. That is what I call Backfire being random, which he is, because his sense of humor covers all spectrums (I still remember his "Blood, it's natures lube" comment.)
The fact is, you flipped out over a title change not going your way, personally attacked a mod, was given a chance to justify said attack, and when you refused Back was well within his right to slap back.
Fact: you should not pick fights with mods in public, that was so very dumb.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's called debating mate, common sense dictates. Under law you would call it common law, or otherwise called laws lot written by the state.The better question is, if you cannot prove it, why did you call Backfire a hyppocrite in the first place? He had no reason to conform precisely to your specifications, just like he doesn't have to under anyone elses. That's not hypocriticism. Thats not even favouritism. That is what I call Backfire being random, which he is, because his sense of humor covers all spectrums (I still remember his "Blood, it's natures lube" comment.)
The fact is, you flipped out over a title change not going your way, personally attacked a mod, was given a chance to justify said attack, and when you refused Back was well within his right to slap back.
Fact: you should not pick fights with mods in public, that was so very dumb.
So you seem to genuinely be aware that you can't cite any rule that shows I should be banned for what he said lol.
And I DON'T HAVE to justify my opinions to anyone. Again: there is nothing in the rules about it.
Can you copy and paste me any rule in the forum that says you need to justify an opinion? Admit that you can't.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThe fact is, you flipped out over a title change not going your way, personally attacked a mod, was given a chance to justify said attack, and when you refused Back was well within his right to slap back.
Fact: you should not pick fights with mods in public, that was so very dumb.
100% BINGO.
Surt didn't get his way and he flipped his shit over it. ie "baby games"
Originally posted by $urtur
So you seem to genuinely be aware that you can't cite any rule that shows I should be banned for what he said lol.And I DON'T HAVE to justify my opinions to anyone. Again: there is nothing in the rules about it.
Can you copy and paste me any rule in the forum that says you need to justify an opinion? Admit that you can't.
You personally attacked a mod Surt. Rules #7 and #8. You should comply with a mods directive, at all times, and you personally attacked him. He had no reason to offer you a chance to justify your namecalling, but he did. Your the one who didn't pony up because you thought you didn't need to.
That being said, I am never in favor of a permaban hammer, not even when TI was at his worst in actually harassing me via PMs. Don't misunderstand me - I think the entire incident was overblown, but you need to accept responsibility for what you did too. There was no reason for you to act like an enormous internet tough guy @$$hole.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You personally attacked a mod Surt. Rules #7 and #8. You should comply with a mods directive, at all times, and you personally attacked him. He had no reason to offer you a chance to justify your namecalling, but he did. Your the one who didn't pony up because you thought you didn't need to.That being said, I am never in favor of a permaban hammer, not even when TI was at his worst in actually harassing me via PMs. Don't misunderstand me - I think the entire incident was overblown, but you need to accept responsibility for what you did too. There was no reason for you to act like an enormous internet tough guy @$$hole.
Uh, there is NO RULE that says you need to do so.
Why do you keep pointing out other rules when they have NOTHING TO DO with the reason given for why I was banned?
Is there a legit comprehension problem here? I copied and pasted to you the reason given. It does not have anything to do with the rules you cited.
Can you post a rule referencing what I was banned for YES or NO?
And I've been personally attacked loads of times. Never saw anyone banned for it. Temporarily or otherwise.
One more time:
"Reason: Because I said I would. Said it would be permanent but figured it would be unfair to ban him permanently without warning for doing something he has done so many times - failing to support himself, or his arguments."
Post the rule I broke by doing this. That is all I ask.
#7 doesn't cover it. #8 doesn't. I suppose a mod could just change the reason, but you have to admit the reason given does not make any sense in terms of a rule violation.
Originally posted by $urtur
Uh, there is NO RULE that says you need to do so.Why do you keep pointing out other rules when they have NOTHING TO DO with the reason given for why I was banned?
Is there a legit comprehension problem here? I copied and pasted to you the reason given. It does not have anything to do with the rules you cited.
Can you post a rule referencing what I was banned for YES or NO?
Ok, hows about Rule #1: Courtesy
Don't attack others. Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully ... without insult and personal attack.
That is a hat trick of rules you broke.
You personally attacked him. This is an indesputable fact. You even admitted this. The fact that he gave you a chance to prove it was a personal choice on his part. When you failed and tried to strongarm him, he was well within rights to do a temp ban. Surt, stop arguing in circles trying to rules lawyer out of this. Take the ban and you'll be back before long.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ok, hows about Rule #1: Courtesy
Don't attack others. Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully ... without insult and personal attack.That is a hat trick of rules you broke.
You personally attacked him. This is an indesputable fact. You even admitted this. The fact that he gave you a chance to prove it was a personal choice on his part. When you failed and tried to strongarm him, he was well within rights to do a temp ban. Surt, stop arguing in circles trying to rules lawyer out of this. Take the ban and you'll be back before long.
HE DID NOT LIST THAT RULE. Holy shit why is this hard to get?
I literally pasted you the reason. Why is this difficult?
Originally posted by $urtur
HE DID NOT LIST THAT RULE. Holy shit why is this hard to get?I literally pasted you the reason. Why is this difficult?
HE DOES NOT HAVE TO. Holy shit why is this hard to get?
You are trying very hard to justify your position, a position of a cancerous type pf practice. You don't want KMC to be a good place, you want it to remain a cesspit of cancerous behavior so you can insult mods without responsibility. Why?
Originally posted by $urtur
Uh, but he did lol. He listed a reason. Explain why this is hard to grasp.He listed a reason. It was not any reason you have gave, period.
Thats not my purpose Surt. I listed the rules he can use to validate his reason and decision for the ban. You think this is a court case? Or an arrest warrant? I understand, I do, but as the mods of many forums say, "this is not a democracy, this is a privately owned forum."
You can disagree with a staff decision, but do it right. Go to PMs, thrash it out there. Don't go publically calling a Mod out and hoping not to get your skull caved by the gavel of bannination.
You obviously lack subtlety, or self control though, because you are having a very high strung moment trying to justify your actions by screaming black and white letter rules now in an attempt to weasel out of the fact that you had a bite at a mod and he bit back.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats not my purpose Surt. I listed the rules he can use to validate his reason and decision for the ban. You think this is a court case? Or an arrest warrant? I understand, I do, but as the mods of many forums say, "this is not a democracy, this is a privately owned forum."You can disagree with a staff decision, but do it right. Go to PMs, thrash it out there. Don't go publically calling a Mod out and hoping not to get your skull caved by the gavel of bannination.
You obviously lack subtlety, or self control though, because you are having a very high strung moment trying to justify your actions by screaming black and white letter rules now in an attempt to weasel out of the fact that you had a bite at a mod and he bit back.
So IOW: you know the reason he gave wasn't a valid reason per the rules, but also recognize he is a petty little shit so I shouldn't have done it anyways.
Gotcha.