Originally posted by MythLord
Oh, and another quote to seal the deal:
"Is Bane correct? I don't know. HE thinks he's correct. On some cosmic level I do too, and that the concentration brought about by the Rule of Two allowed the dark side to grow in strength until the era of Palpatine -- the most powerful dark lord in history."
-- Book of the Sith Endnotes
Palpatine's dark side accolades kind of go hand in hand with his military power.
Originally posted by MythLord
"The most powerful Sith Lord of all" does imply all of history, because at the time Sidious and Vader were the only Sith. Of all implies there's more than just two. But at the time there wasn't. So... maybe think a little?I'm open to any other interpretation.
I'm sorry... what? This is published alongside TCW while TCW was still part of the EU. It counts.
Because being "the lord of all Sith Lords" means he's probably the best at jenga or something.
And the entire forum doesn't care if you think any of these arguments aren't retarded, cheap excuses. Stop embarrassing yourself.
To be honest, Palpatine is always associated with Darth Bane's Order of Sith Lords. High chances it refers to him and the power of his Banite predecessors which would make sense in the given context.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Palpatine's dark side accolades kind of go hand in hand with his military power.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
To be honest, Palpatine is always associated with Darth Bane's Order of Sith Lords. High chances it refers to him and the power of his Banite predecessors which would make sense in the given context.
I appreciate you trying to save this trainwreck of a post that AP made, but what you're saying is literally baseless, and the context of the quotes points quite to the contrary.
Originally posted by AncientPower"Were" like you actually sowed the seeds of doubt.
Sheev's most powerful quotes were a massive status quo mechanic in the forums, without them being considered infallible then there are actual debates to be made to the contrary.Oh and no, the Malak bait is pretty pathetic, especially given how his only concrete wank comes from Star Forge scaling.
Here's a question, do you think all these quotes were just accidents meant to mean nothing? Was he just called the most powerful sith lord from multiple sources by accident and it actually meant nothing?
I don't think you can call other things pathetic. I had to read this thread and the title multiple times because your reasons didn't actually line up with debunking anything. The fact that you think you accomplished anything is sad.
"This is an in-universe source"
Ouch
That being said, you danced around the questions.
If you removed Sheev's quotes of superiority over all Sith, who are the multitudes of characters fighting for this position? Who would be above Sheev's feats and lesser statements? And what would you use to place them above him?
Originally posted by MythLord
I appreciate you trying to save this trainwreck of a post that AP made, but what you're saying is literally baseless, and the context of the quotes points quite to the contrary.
How more exactly?
It's common knowledge among the Star Wars writers that Palpatine is the most successful Sith Lord in Darth Bane's Order of Sith Lords.
You know how many Banite Lords have been there? Quite many of them.
Basically, everything that takes place during the movies doesn't deviate from George Lucas' vision(those 1000 years)
Originally posted by MythLord
I appreciate you trying to save this trainwreck of a post that AP made, but what you're saying is literally baseless, and the context of the quotes points quite to the contrary.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I'm not saying that I want more to be introduced, I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense for statements to apply retroactively to characters introduced after that statement.Sheev should be more powerful based on what he's done, not because a statement was made 2 years before the character was created. Unless that statement can directly correlate in some way or another.
If a writer wants to create some shitty nonsense character more powerful, the avenue should be there. Darth Omnipotent exists for a story and destroys a different galaxy for example, before dying from choking on a piece of corn. As dumb as that sounds, the option should be open (though handled with more tact), and the statement shouldn't apply to him. Otherwise you get into even worse scaling arguments.
That being said, it is refreshing to see Sheev being the top Sith Puppy still. Other "universes" like to shit all over the prior lore in an effort to one up or just piss off everyone (A little black girl is now way smarter than Reed Richards and Dr Doom for example).
Hell, Sheev still continues to rack up feats and he died a few decades ago.
Fair enough. I see your point.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
So you like the taste of Sheev's balls and his salty semen?
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Darth Sidious is nonsense in terms of feats.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Although it is a statement. It is also retarded. Therefore Lee is retarded. Or he did it for Sheev's balls.
What is honestly wrong with you? What's your obsession with the Emperor's nuts? I daresay you must have ruined this character for others more than any other user. And just think about what an accomplishment that is!
And as for Sheev's accomplishments, he created a force storm which destroyed an entire fleet. Or how about that time he killed vader with lightning? Or when he drained the entire planet of Byss?
Originally posted by ZentrexFunny thing about DE is that Palpatine was the most powerful known Sith before his death, and then Tom threw Ulic in there. And then later the Tales series.
What is honestly wrong with you? What's your obsession with the Emperor's nuts? I daresay you must have ruined this character for others more than any other user. And just think about what an accomplishment that is!And as for Sheev's accomplishments, he created a force storm which destroyed an entire fleet. Or how about that time he killed vader with lightning? Or when he drained the entire planet of Byss?
Which means a rival of Exar was introduced to be beneath Sheev.
When we're speaking of accolades anyway.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd"Greatest known wielder of the force side that is darker"
That's bullshit, lmao. It was said about Ulic's knowledge not comparing to Palpatine's. That's all. Ulic was not even a fully-fledged Sith Lord.
And we were taught quite a bit about Ulic there. In fact Leia cut it short before she learned his fate. Which means that the holocron apparently knew his end, which would mean it knew him at his most powerful. Mind you this details him up to The Sith War, so that should be enough.
https://imgur.com/GfgCD3n
https://imgur.com/pOlEKp3
Like I said, Ulic was introduced to be below Sheev.
Originally posted by Freedon NaddIt clearly isn't. We actually got what his point of view was when the words were put between quotation marks following that statement. It sure wasn't "The force is great, but did you know my cloaked father figure is also the greatest dark side wielder this side of Ulic Qel-Droma?"
1. Greatest wielder of darkness is clearly from Vader's pov
2. I never said Ulic's dark side knowledge outstrips Palpatine's.
So what the heck?
He was the greatest known darkside wielder. He became a dark side wielder and was below Sheev. It's not a complicated process. The intention is pretty clear there. His Jedi powers were nothing compared to what he became once the War started.
He was introduced to be below Sheev. Very simple. Twisting quotes doesn't change that... especially when Sheev's knowledge translated to power.
Sheev's hype was consistent and frequent in sources prior to introduction of Tenebrae in the lore and subsequent hype of his powers since 2012.
Tenebrae's hype had an impact over Sheev's hype-train with a noteworthy source inserting the word "maybe" in its hype of Sheev. Numerous authors were coming to terms with Tenebrae's hype but Legends-Canon split made further assessment irrelevant.