Originally posted by DarkSaint85
After the atmosphere has slowed a 100 metre wide asteroid to 90k mph,Nova and Thor slow it down a lot, and Wasp has shrunk it down using Pym Particles...Herc and Hulk, together, are unable to stop or break the asteroid.
Who can replicate this feat of failure??
Herc and Jane Thor are NOT elites in strength when they are written in the Avengers....
So I am not accused of misleading:
This is the size of the asteroid. It is 100 metres in diameter:
https://s9.postimg.org/buwwlsycf/RCO009_w.jpg
The heroes say it can destroy the entire Western Hemisphere. Here, the Avengers say it would cause an extinction level event:
https://s9.postimg.org/buwwlvqnj/RCO010.jpg
So the stakes are high. They aren't holding back - this asteroid could wipe out 616 Marvel Earth.
First, the atmosphere slows it down, a bunch.
Then, Thor and Nova step up:
https://s9.postimg.org/f1rg5hg8f/RCO012.jpg
Spidermen use their tensile webbing (which has held the Hulk!):
https://s9.postimg.org/w2ace60zj/RCO013.jpg
Wasp shrinks it down even further:
https://s9.postimg.org/t8770p3y7/RCO014.jpg
Vision (amped, right?) uses his solar blast:
https://s9.postimg.org/9dl5el467/RCO015.jpg
AND THEN! Herc and Hulk try.
https://s9.postimg.org/dzh9mycun/RCO016.jpg
And fail.
Originally posted by carver9
So one showing takes away from this? Also, is that the same writer that wrote Immortal Hulk?
Not sure what your point is. Aaron didn't write Immortal Hulk, yet you seem perfectly happy to use his statements with Mangog and the Phoenix....
Originally posted by carver9Hun hun........points of references here 1) He wasn't ko'ed but caught off guard as he immediately came right back to save Spider-man's hide. 2) that version of Hulk wasn't that much weaker if at all. 3) the only thing that Superman did offensively against Hulk was toss him into a building, suppose he went as ballistic on him as Hulk did on Clark?........ You know that you would've just had one big green smear on the streets.
And got flash koed by Hulk in the same book... a FAR weaker Hulk.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So I am not accused of misleading:This is the size of the asteroid. It is 100 metres in diameter:
https://s9.postimg.org/buwwlsycf/RCO009_w.jpgThe heroes say it can destroy the entire Western Hemisphere. Here, the Avengers say it would cause an extinction level event:
https://s9.postimg.org/buwwlvqnj/RCO010.jpgSo the stakes are high. They aren't holding back - this asteroid could wipe out 616 Marvel Earth.
First, the atmosphere slows it down, a bunch.
Then, Thor and Nova step up:
https://s9.postimg.org/f1rg5hg8f/RCO012.jpgSpidermen use their tensile webbing (which has held the Hulk!):
https://s9.postimg.org/w2ace60zj/RCO013.jpgWasp shrinks it down even further:
https://s9.postimg.org/t8770p3y7/RCO014.jpgVision (amped, right?) uses his solar blast:
https://s9.postimg.org/9dl5el467/RCO015.jpgAND THEN! Herc and Hulk try.
https://s9.postimg.org/dzh9mycun/RCO016.jpgAnd fail.
Not sure what your point is. Aaron didn't write Immortal Hulk, yet you seem perfectly happy to use his statements with Mangog and the Phoenix....
You cant use one showing to gauge a characters power level is what I am saying. Jane is an elite, no debating against this. You're using a single showing to try to discredit this. Lol... we will always bump heads on this because I don't use one showing to prove a character is weak or strong. With that said. Herc, Cho, AND Jane is elite, top elite, in strength.
Originally posted by lawest9
Hun hun........points of references here 1) He wasn't ko'ed but caught off guard as he immediately came right back to save Spider-man's hide. 2) that version of Hulk wasn't that much weaker if at all. 3) the only thing that Superman did offensively against Hulk was toss him into a building, suppose he went as ballistic on him as Hulk did on Clark?........ You know that you would've just had one big green smear on the streets.
His body went limp after that punch. It's a flash ko a d lol, hulk has had over 8 powerups. Everyone on KMC knows Hulk kant at his classic level of power anymore.
Originally posted by carver9I never said that Hulk couldn't give KAL a tough fight, but he did underestimate Hulks strength there, but that was the first time he encountered Bruce, also don't forget that later in that same book how he was handing the Hulk his tail and thought to himself how he had to be careful about letting loose full strength on Hulk, and this was a much weaker version of Superman.
That's like me posting this...You will then not accept it.
Originally posted by carver9C9...........Superman have had his power ups as well, and remember Julius Swartz depowered Clark long before John Byrne did and has defeated Hulk in every crossover since that time and has had superior feats on top of it.
His body went limp after that punch. It's a flash ko a d lol, hulk has had over 8 powerups. Everyone on KMC knows Hulk kant at his classic level of power anymore.
Originally posted by carver9
You cant use one showing to gauge a characters power level is what I am saying. Jane is an elite, no debating against this. You're using a single showing to try to discredit this. Lol... we will always bump heads on this because I don't use one showing to prove a character is weak or strong. With that said. Herc, Cho, AND Jane is elite, top elite, in strength.
My point is that in team books, Herc, Cho and Jane aren't depicted as 'Mangog (who is greater than Phoenix) busting levels'.
You're using this exact argument with Lobo and Green Lantern, i.e. with DC. Which is a fair point, but you never seem to be consistent in your position.
I'm NOT using single showings. In team books, Jane/Herc/Cho aren't at the levels Jane is in her title book, where she fights Phoenixes and Shi Ar God's.
Therefore, in a team book, you can't suddenly change your stance and start power scaling off Jane's solo titles.
That's my point. Which is the same point you make with Lobo and GL.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85And you make a good point, before COIE, Superman was never portrayed to be as powerful in the JLA books as he was in his own titles.
My point is that in team books, Herc, Cho and Jane aren't depicted as 'Mangog (who is greater than Phoenix) busting levels'.You're using this exact argument with Lobo and Green Lantern, i.e. with DC. Which is a fair point, but you never seem to be consistent in your position.
I'm NOT using single showings. In team books, Jane/Herc/Cho aren't at the levels Jane is in her title book, where she fights Phoenixes and Shi Ar God's.
Therefore, in a team book, you can't suddenly change your stance and start power scaling off Jane's solo titles.
That's my point. Which is the same point you make with Lobo and GL.
Originally posted by lawest9
And you make a good point, before COIE, Superman was never portrayed to be as powerful in the JLA books as he was in his own titles.
Darksaint still use JLA showings in his arguments though. I understand why he is trying to flip it here. At the end of the day, Hulk powered through some elites. It Supermen would've did what Hulk did to the JLA, he would've been all over it. Not paying him any attention.
Originally posted by carver9Did you know Darksaint is an anagram of "a stinkard"? It's also one of "Dirk Satan".
Darksaint still use JLA showings in his arguments though. I understand why he is trying to flip it here. At the end of the day, Hulk powered through some elites. It Supermen would've did what Hulk did to the JLA, he would've been all over it. Not paying him any attention.
His tactics make more sense now, don't they?
Originally posted by Sin I AMThat could be considered merely as getting in one another's way.
Kinda siding with Saint here. IMO team portrayals should be looked at differently because generally teams fight like idiots or are written down to make spiderman/wasp notable when you also have a hulk and a thor.
