Originally posted by KurkI mean, Luke legitimately contended with and bested Vader in ROTJ, as per the novelization and script, same as ESB, to a lesser extent. If, by ROTJ, Luke was comparable to or equal to Vader, then he's better than Dooku.
I highly doubt Luke can approach Dooku's 70+ years of skill with a saber in the time between ESB and RotJ.Unless he pulls off some tier 9 rage-amp stuff he loses.
I love RotJ Luke, and feel like he's often underrated by people who attemp to write him off as inexperienced, or downplay his victory over Vader by attributing it soley to Vader holding back. That said, I don't picture Luke, Legends or Canon, beating Dooku. He just leaves too many opening that can be exploited (see his battle over the sarlacc pit), and he hasn't shown any real ability to counter Dooku's lightning beyond just trying to strengthen his Force shield.
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I love RotJ Luke, and feel like he's often underrated by people who attemp to write him off as inexperienced, or downplay his victory over Vader by attributing it soley to Vader holding back. That said, I don't picture Luke, Legends or Canon, beating Dooku. He just leaves too many opening that can be exploited (see his battle over the sarlacc pit), and he hasn't shown any real ability to counter Dooku's lightning beyond just trying to strengthen his Force shield.
Originally posted by relentless1
going by canon Dooku wipes the floor with Luke; Luke barely survived a stiff moving Vader until he had his tantrum and although thats how Ani beat Tyranus Luke doesn't have a tenth of the onscreen skill that his father had
Barely? At no point did Vader have the edge in their ROTJ Saber fight.
Luke was >/= Vader in Sabers. Which is a level solidly above Rebels Ahsoka/Maul. So power scaling works for Luke IMO.
But if we add TK and Lightning then I cant say for sure. That might give the edge to Dooku in an all out.
Originally posted by relentless1
going by canon Dooku wipes the floor with Luke; Luke barely survived a stiff moving Vader until he had his tantrum and although thats how Ani beat Tyranus Luke doesn't have a tenth of the onscreen skill that his father had
If we are going by canon, Luke has a much greater chance against Dooku. Vader in the new Disney canon is showing to be more powerful than he was in legends.
The only reason why Vader is robotic and stiff is because rotj was made in 1983.... In new canon such as the Vader comics, Rogue One, and rebels - it's clearily no longer an issue.
Originally posted by ForschbewithuCanon Vader doesn't seem to be any stronger than Legends Vader to me.
If we are going by canon, Luke has a much greater chance against Dooku. Vader in the new Disney canon is showing to be more powerful than he was in legends.The only reason why Vader is robotic and stiff is because rotj was made in 1983.... In new canon such as the Vader comics, Rogue One, and rebels - it's clearily no longer an issue.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Barely? At no point did Vader have the edge in their ROTJ Saber fight.Luke was >/= Vader in Sabers. Which is a level solidly above Rebels Ahsoka/Maul. So power scaling works for Luke IMO.
But if we add TK and Lightning then I cant say for sure. That might give the edge to Dooku in an all out.
Vader was conflicted against Luke af.
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Per the novelization, Luke was able to Force-deflect Palpatine's initial salvo of FL of a very brief moment before he was overpowered by it:
The Emperor's glee turned to a sullen rage. 'So be it, Jedi. If you will not be turned, you will be destroyed.' Palpatine raised his spidery arms toward Luke: blinding white bolts of energy coruscated from his fingers, shot across the room like sorcerous lightning, and tore through the boy's insides, looking for ground. The young Jedi was at once confounded and in agony -he'd never heard of such a power, such a corruption of the Force, let alone experienced it.But if it was Force-generated, it could be Force-repelled. Luke raised his arms to deflect the bolts. Initially, he was successful the lightning rebounded from his touch, harmlessly into the walls. Soon, though, the shocks came with such speed and power, they coursed over and into him, and he could only shrink before them, convulsed with pain, his knees buckling, his powers at ebb.
-RotJ
Only the final(and most powerful) salvo of FL was truly meant to *kill* Luke, and it absolutely *would* have if Vader hadn't intervened:
'Young fool!' Palpatine rasped at Luke. 'Only now at the end, do you understand. Your puerile skills are no match for the power of the dark side. You have paid a price for your lack of vision. Now, young Skywalker, you will pay the price in full. You will die!'He laughed maniacally; and although it would not have seemed possible to Luke, the outpouring of bolts from the Emperor's fingers actually increased in intensity. The sound screamed through the room, the murderous brightness of the flashes was overwhelming. Luke's body slowed, wilted, finally crumpled under the hideous barrage. He stopped moving altogether. At last, he appeared totally lifeless. The Emperor hissed maliciously.
-RotJ
That said, I certainly wouldn't say that Luke being able to deflect one of Palpatine's weaker salvos of FL for a scant moment equates to him being able to outright pwn Dooku's FL across the board... Certainly not long enough to matter, at least.