ROTJ Luke Skywalker vs. Count Dooku

doesn't canon have luke >/= vader? Did I miss something?

Does it? I'm just thinking back to Filoni's comments and that absurd H2H book putting Kylo above Luke.

Issue with Canon is that there's no concrete and consistent power ranking at all. It's really just left up to us.

Was Vader weakened by his love for Luke? I dunno.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
that absurd H2H book putting Kylo above Luke.

Well Filoni certainly has a ranking, as he has made clear on multiple occasions inside and outside of Canon.

Luke is shit tier to him. So Lord help Luke if Filonis next animation includes him.

Originally posted by MythLord
Eh? Wut?

Some examples:
Sidious vs. Grievous
Yoda vs. Vader
Han vs. Jango
MagnaGuard vs. Royal Guard
etc. etc. etc.

The instance DarthAnt is citing is from the TFA: Head-to-Head book. Luke is pitted against Kylo in a theoretical battle. Kylo wins according to the book.

Which is clearly bogus.

Canon is bogus and more inconsistent than my golf 3-wood shots.

Originally posted by Kurk
Canon is bogus and more inconsistent than my golf 3-wood shots.

Yes, because Legends was sooo consistent, and never contradicted itself.

The only clear inconsistency in Canon that I've seen was in Darth Vader (2017) #13, and as soon as the mistake was noticed, the digital releases were fixed within a week.

My point is, legends depended far more on the technical aspects of characters, weapons, etc while this new canon just kinda makes things flex around what the plot demands without too much consideration for "Does this make sense?".

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Does it? I'm just thinking back to Filoni's comments and that absurd H2H book putting Kylo above Luke.

Issue with Canon is that there's no concrete and consistent power ranking at all. It's really just left up to us.

Was Vader weakened by his love for Luke? I dunno.

It's plausible for someone with Luke+ potential to surpass vader after a decade of training, but then Snoke seems to imply TLJ Ren is sub Vader at the beginning of TLJ.

That said, these books are proving to be increasingly dubious regarding canon:
-> Vader> Sidious?
-> TPM Maul> Dooku?
-> Saying Maul "easily drove Grievous back" when he just tk'd him off a platform?

Canon overall just isn't very consistent despite throwing out all the old lore for the purpose of making everything consistent.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang

-> Saying Maul "easily drove Grievous back" when he just tk'd him off a platform?

Wheres that stated?

fact files

Cool.

Well given comic book fights are hard to accurately interpret -we never once see them actually clash Sabers in that fight- I will take the fact files word on that.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Well, Hildago does imply Vader wasn't fully commited to the darkside vs Luke in his oft misinterpreted comments regarding Vader's prime.

It's plausible for someone with Luke+ potential to surpass vader after a decade of training, but then Snoke seems to imply TLJ Ren is sub Vader at the beginning of TLJ.

That said, these books are proving to be increasingly dubious regarding canon:
-> Vader> Sidious?
-> TPM Maul> Dooku?
-> Saying Maul "easily drove Grievous back" when he just tk'd him off a platform?

Canon overall just isn't very consistent despite throwing out all the old lore for the purpose of making everything consistent.

Damn... Is there a scan out there of the Kylo vs. Luke head to head? How do these books imply Vader > Sidious and TPM Maul > Dooku?

Originally posted by Kurk
My point is, legends depended far more on the technical aspects of characters, weapons, etc while this new canon just kinda makes things flex around what the plot demands without too much consideration for "Does this make sense?".

No wonder it's so wonky.

It's difficult to gauge how powerful Luke is in ROTJ since Vader may or may not have been hindered during their fight. In my opinion Luke would have lost if Vader wasn't emotionally conflicted, so I don't think he would be able to defeat the Count. Good fight though.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
-> Vader> Sidious?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
-> TPM Maul> Dooku?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
-> Saying Maul "easily drove Grievous back" when he just tk'd him off a platform?

There's a book (don't remember the name) that lists the top 5 red lightsaber users, that's probably what he's referring to.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
There's a book (don't remember the name) that lists the top 5 red lightsaber users, that's probably what he's referring to.

Ah yes, that book is "Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know"

Gave the top red lightsaber duelists:

1. Vader
2. Sidious
3. Maul
4. Dooku
5. Ventress

So it suggests Vader > Palpatine & TPM Maul > Dooku in sabers, but not all out battles... Although it would obviously play a part.

already don't buy it; hows Vader above Sidious or Maul above Dooku?? thats a shit list