Originally posted by Mendax
Where was this stated?Where was this stated?
Originally posted by MendaxThe exact quote was "while Maul easily drove Grievous away":
But TKing GG off a platform IS driving him back. No discrepancy there.
Indeed, that is exactly what we saw happen in the source material:
https://i.imgur.com/3AT1wlY.jpg
A single force push easily drove Grievous "away"(ie. off the ledge.)
Originally posted by Galan007
-Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to KnowThe exact quote was "while Maul easily drove Grievous away":
https://i.imgur.com/lFm8vBO.jpgIndeed, that is exactly what we saw happen in the source material:
https://i.imgur.com/3AT1wlY.jpgA single force push easily drove Grievous "away"(ie. off the ledge.)
Grievous was watching another fight when Maul pushed him. And even then, the push did nothing to Grievous aside from bfring him.
Dooku did better against ROTS Anakin, then Vader did against ROTJ Luke. Perhaps Vader was weakened by his love and conflicted. But aside of that, Dooku did better against superior enemy. And both - Dooku and Vader, shared a similar goals in those duels.
Btw, Vader has far too much pathetic showings against pathetic enemies, he's not even close to being > Sidious.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Grievous was watching another fight when Maul pushed him.
No he wasnt. Both Maul and Grievous were looking away at the same time, and that was a couple of pages prior to Maul BFRing Grievous.
Please dont make stuff up as its irritating on a debate forum.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
And even then, the push did nothing to Grievous aside from bfring him.
Because Maul went to help Talzin, so didnt have time to confirm Grievous was destroyed.
Maul and Grievous fought 3 times in SOD. Maul best Grievous in 2 of those 3 fights. Once Physically, then the 2nd time with TK.
So it seems more likely that Maul is just better, rather than Grievous getting unlucky twice.
No he wasnt. Both Maul and Grievous were looking away at the same time
Grievous was watching another fight when Maul pushed him.
so didnt have time to confirm Grievous was destroyed.
Maul and Grievous fought 3 times in SOD.
The second has already been addressed and the only moment of note in the first was Grievous bypassing Maul's guard physically.
Why's Maul better again?
Originally posted by Galan007Just in case you're suggesting that Palpatine's lightning was at full power in the end, can you point out where that's stated in the text?
Only the final(and most powerful) salvo of FL was truly meant to *kill* Luke, and it absolutely *would* have if Vader hadn't intervened
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
1)As both "includes" Grievous, you've conceded on this:As impressive as it is for Maul to be able to lift his hand without the pressure of an ongoing light saber duel, it means nothing in the context of this versus.
1A)And we know Maul would be able to successfully confirm Grievous' destruction because...
2)A fight requires two combatants. Only two instances in SOD qualify: Their two lightsaber duels.
3)The second has already been addressed and the only moment of note in the first was Grievous bypassing Maul's guard physically.
4)Why's Maul better again?
Lol so much denial.
1)Grievous wasnt looking away when Maul pushed him. When you have to make things up to even enter a debate why bother?
1A) Urm, because Maul had the high ground, wasnt the one EASILY flung off a cliff. So why should anyone believe Grievous was about to turn that fight around? Except that you wish it of course.
2)Oh im sorry I didnt realise Grievous wasnt around or even aware of a fight when Maul blitzed him.
3)Ah so being EASILY flung off a cliff via TK and Physically blitzed is nothing, but being Kicked 1 time is Da Bomb right?
4)Maul is better as proven twice in SOD and even admitted by both parties. Get over it.
Originally posted by Sinious
Just in case you're suggesting that Palpatine's lightning was at full power in the end, can you point out where that's stated in the text?
If that's the case, then we have seen what Palpatine's full power of lightning does at Windu. He was basically just FL'd; that's all. Which brings me to the conclusion that Palpatine's Force lightning is capable to turn people into ash or ashy bones only when in the presence of a Dark Side nexusI(Kalakar Six, the Sith crystal)
Originally posted by Underachiever59
I love RotJ Luke, and feel like he's often underrated by people who attemp to write him off as inexperienced, or downplay his victory over Vader by attributing it soley to Vader holding back.
That's actually exactly the situation.
Vader was a fully-trained Jedi Knight who became a monstrously powerful Sith Lord.
Luke meanwhile has less training than most Younglings. (Jedi growing up in Clans had 10 years of training with teachers before going on to become Padawans.)
Most importantly, even Luke knew that Vader was holding back - with his words, "I feel the good in you, the conflict.."
Vader was holding back, it's Canon.
Also, Luke is less skilled than Zett Juckasa - and leagues beneath Dooku.
Luke had a lot of trouble handling Jabba the Hutt's hired mooks and he was an adult.
Luke can't replicate Juckasa's feat of taking down elite Clonetroopers.
Luke gets utterly raped by Count Dooku.
- Luke is leagues below most lightsaber duelists - why are people trying to delude themselves in thinking otherwise?
Dooku although it wouldn't take much to come up with an argument in Luke's favor.
Luke's younger but Dooku's physical augmentation can easily make up for this. Dooku can augment his strength, speed, and endurance.
Luke's use of the Force while creative and intuitive is nothing Dooku hasn't seen and while he has more raw power, at this point he's not anywhere near Dooku. I don't think Luke would be immediately TK'd but he is outclassed and if Dooku had to resort to his Force abilities he wouldn't last too long.
In sabers Dooku obviously has a skill advatage as prodigal as Luke the best I can see him doing is contending. Luke's use of Djem So isn't polished or refined enough to consistently pummel Dooku into submission. If Dooku can exploit the weaknesses of Djem So when fighting Anakin, he can with Luke.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
So, Vader is a worse lightsabre duelist than Dooku?
In my opinion, canon Vader > canon Dooku in sabers and all out. Anakin had an advantage over Dooku in rots due to not only him being a lvl 9 against a high lvl 8 on the Gillard scale, but stylistically it favored Anakin as well, which was due to the kinetic energy generated by form V.
As Vader in the suit, you are now doubling his stylistic advantage over Dooku due to the enhanced power of Vader's mechanical limbs. In-universe quotes from Vader in Lord's of the Sith will tell you that he's only grown more powerful since doning the suit:
"He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it broken, but they'd perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight."
AND his suit doesn't hinder him in any way:
"When man and machine were one, he no longer felt the absence of his legs or arms, the pain of his flesh, but the hate remained, and the rage still burned. Those, he never relinquished, and he never felt more connected to the Force than when his fury burned."
