Originally posted by SiniousAs mentioned, the DE audio drama explicitly confirms that this wasn't the case. Per said source, the amp only came after Luke bested Palpatine in sabers.
So what? Leia amping Luke after the duel doesn't cancel out the fact that his potential was being unlocked before the fight.
You're welcome to "so what" that away if you like. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other. 🙂
Repeating yourself won’t make what you’re saying more convincing. Leia amping Luke after the duel and Leia unlocking Luke’s potential before the fight aren’t mutually exclusive. All you’re really arguing here is that Palpatine’s power in the Force is still superior to a Luke who was amped and had his potential unlocked. I guess I agree with that. 👆
The DE audio drama made absolutely NO mention of Leia amping Luke prior to him besting Palpatine in sabers -- to act like that was the underlying implication/intention would be completely contradictory to what was actually stated in the source itself. Once more: we were explicitly told the precise moment when Leia began amping Luke, and it only came after said duel(when Palps manifested his final Force Storm.) If you choose not to accept this source, that's your prerogative... It doesn't matter to me either way. 🙂
Indeed DE Palpatine WAS more powerful than Luke with the force -- I never once said otherwise. But Palpatine isn't in this match, so I don't know why you even felt the need to make this distinction..?
Originally posted by ILSNot really.
The audiobook didn't, but other sources did./discussion
Indeed most sources reference the fact that Luke was able to defeat Palpatine with the added help/power of Leia and her unborn child(which no one has ever contested.) However, most external sources I am aware of do not tell us exactly when she began amping Luke. The DE audio drama does.
That's all. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Indeed DE Palpatine WAS more powerful than Luke with the force -- I never once said otherwise. But Palpatine isn't in this match, so I don't know why you even felt the need to make this distinction..?
Originally posted by Galan007
The DE audio drama made absolutely NO mention of Leia amping Luke prior to him besting Palpatine in sabers -- to act like that was the underlying implication/intention would be completely contradictory to what was actually stated in the source itself. Once more: we were explicitly told the precise moment when Leia began amping Luke, and it only came after said duel(when Palps manifested his final Force Storm.) If you choose not to accept this source, that's your prerogative... It doesn't matter to me either way. 🙂Indeed DE Palpatine WAS more powerful than Luke with the force -- I never once said otherwise. But Palpatine isn't in this match, so I don't know why you even felt the need to make this distinction..?
Originally posted by Galan007In the comic, Leia starts to glow as Luke starts talking generic light side stuff. Next time we see her is right before the panel where Luke beats Palpatine, the glow is wider. Right after, Leia states that she had already begun unlocking Luke's potential and it is worded as "Leia's intensity continues to unlock unexpected resources in Luke". It says Leia continues and the only unexpected thing Luke has done until that point was defeat Palpatine in a duel. I'm not sure how you can seriously think that Leia wasn't doing anything until the end of the duel.
The scan he posted, wherein Leia was unlocking/amping Luke, came after Luke had already bested Palpatine in sabers.Again, though: I am(and have only been) talking about the audio drama exclusively. 👆
It's entirely possible that the nature of his amp changed from a passive support that unlocks his potential to direct amp as they brought together their focus of power to stop Palpatine's force storm, since Leia isn't glowing anymore in that instance (suggesting a change in her function), and that's probably why Leia says in the audiobook "let me add my power to yours". So, again, Leia unlocking his potential via BM isn't mutually exclusive with her bringing together her power with Luke to cut Palpatine's connection to the storm.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Eh, when on earth did I ever so much imply that sources cannot contradict..?
Acting like the audio drama and comics can't contradict each other tbh
That said, there's really not much contradiction here if we're solely talking about explicitly-stated evidence. The comics ONLY mention Leia boosting Luke's power after he bested Palpatine in sabers. The audio drama just tells us precisely when the amp occurred(which was also after Luke bested Palpatine in sabers.) /shrug
Originally posted by SiniousIn the audio drama, Leia was only using her abilities to *sense* the fight between Luke and Palpatine as it was transpiring, because she could not visually see it(which could very well account for the 'glow' around her in those panels.) She was not implied to be bolstering Luke's abilities at all during said battle, however.
In the comic, Leia starts to glow as Luke starts talking generic light side stuff. Next time we see her is right before the panel where Luke beats Palpatine, the glow is wider. Right after, Leia states that she had already begun unlocking Luke's potential and it is worded as "Leia's intensity [B]continues to unlock unexpected resources in Luke". It says Leia continues and the only unexpected thing Luke has done until that point was defeat Palpatine in a duel. I'm not sure how you can seriously think that Leia wasn't doing anything until the end of the duel.It's entirely possible that the nature of his amp changed from a passive support that unlocks his potential to direct amp as they brought together their focus of power to stop Palpatine's force storm, since Leia isn't glowing anymore in that instance (suggesting a change in her function), and that's probably why Leia says in the audiobook "let me add my power to yours". So, again, Leia unlocking his potential via BM isn't mutually exclusive with her bringing together her power with Luke to cut Palpatine's connection to the storm. [/B]
*Palpatine and Luke start dueling*
Leia: "They're both moving so fast, I can hardly see them..! I can sense waves of power -- the dark side and the light. But I feel... The light is winning!"
*Luke then overpowers/disarms Palpatine.*
Soon thereafter, Palpatine manifests a Force Storm and begins annihilating the entire fleet... Only then was Leia finally stated to have started amping Luke.
Luke: "The power you've unleashed... Even you can't control it!"
Leia: "But WE can, Luke -- WE can do it! That's what the Holocron meant. Let me add my power to yours!"
There was no implication that she was amping him beforehand in the audio drama. None at all. I prefer not adding personal conjecture to a scene that is so explicit.
So, let's see. My interpretation is conjecture, despite everything I say about the source material being true, and despite the fact that it allows different sources to work together, but yours is legit because Leia wasn't able to see them, which literally means nothing. What a joke, honestly. Anakin wasn't able to see Mace and Palpatine while they were fighting. If you're suggesting that makes Leia useless, I can't wait to hear how you justify the idea of Mace Windu blitzing Anakin Skywalker.
Wow, calm down.
You're essentially trying to pretend as though Leia was amping Luke when he and Palpatine dueled in the audio drama, even though that is not so much as implied or alluded to... At all.
Sorry if you don't like my not accepting your conjecture as fact. I'm just telling you what is provable. Nothing more; nothing less. 🙂
Originally posted by SiniousPoor analogy.
Anakin wasn't able to see Mace and Palpatine while they were fighting. If you're suggesting that makes Leia useless, I can't wait to hear how you justify the idea of Mace Windu blitzing Anakin Skywalker.
In the film Anakin only walked into the room after Mace had already disarmed Palpatine and knocked him to the ground. He never actually witnessed any of their saber clash(which means that portion of the RotS novelization holds no merit whatsoever.)
Just saying. 🙂
Originally posted by SiniousClearly that notion IS contradicted in the audio drama, due to the fact it wasn't so much as alluded to... And if it wasn't alluded to, it didn't happen.
I said she was amping him in the comic, and that it was only omitted in the audiobook, but never contradicted. Learn how to read.
Calm down.