DE Luke vs. Plagueis

Started by The Merchant8 pages

The Narrator saying Leia continued to unlock Lukes potential obviously refers to when she began to perform Forfe Harmony which the Audiobook explicitly shows us that happened during the Force storm. She even says "That's what the holocron meant. Let me join my powers with yours" why would she say that if.she was already doing so? Her saying "That's what the holocron meant" even implies she didn't know what Bodo Baas meant whem he said to join with her brother until the Force storm stuff.

DE Luke bested Palps with Sabers fair and square, the notion he was amped is something that's plagued this community for over a decade. It's time it died.

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Originally posted by The Merchant
The Narrator saying Leia continued to unlock Lukes potential obviously refers to when she began to perform Forfe Harmony which the Audiobook explicitly shows us that happened during the Force storm. She even says "That's what the holocron meant. Let me join my powers with yours" why would she say that if.she was already doing so? Her saying "That's what the holocron meant" even implies she didn't know what Bodo Baas meant whem he said to join with her brother until the Force storm stuff.

DE Luke bested Palps with Sabers fair and square, the notion he was amped is something that's plagued this community for over a decade. It's time it died.

Lies.

Sinious will snuff out all you heretics and your impiety toward His Imperial Majesty soon enough. Such blashemy is not tolerated within the Church of Sheev.

Nerdarted.

Originally posted by Sinious
I can't wait to hear how you justify the idea of Mace Windu blitzing Anakin Skywalker.

Because Anakin(just like Leia) wasn't using Force speed which increases all your cognitive and physical functions.

@Az, this level of idiocy is worrying, and I see it's corrupting new faces like Sheev, so time to point out why they're full of shit 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Clearly that notion IS contradicted in the audio drama, due to the fact it wasn't so much as alluded to... And if it wasn't alluded to, it didn't happen.

Calm down.

Contradiction means "a combination of statements, ideas, or features which are opposed to one another". You have failed to point out how the comics oppose the audiodrama. Stop repeating the same nonsense over and over again. It doesn't have to be in every single source material for it to be valid. The fact that it is in the comic is enough. Also, even if it was contradicted in the audiobook, it still wouldn't cancel out anything, but it isn't even contradicting. It is SIMPLY omitted. More importantly, there are other sources that support my interpretation of the events. In contrast, taking your interpretation as valid requires us to ignore multiple sources pointing out the exact opposite of what you're saying.

Originally posted by The Merchant
The Narrator saying Leia continued to unlock Lukes potential obviously refers to when she began to perform Forfe Harmony which the Audiobook explicitly shows us that happened during the Force storm. She even says "That's what the holocron meant. Let me join my powers with yours" why would she say that if.she was already doing so? Her saying "That's what the holocron meant" even implies she didn't know what Bodo Baas meant whem he said to join with her brother until the Force storm stuff.

Interesting fan fiction. Sadly, we know that Leia was involved with what was happening from the beginning, and her mere presence was already helping Luke with his struggle against the grip Palpatine had over his mind:

Here, Luke states that Leia's power was already added to Luke's when he was breaking free of the Emperor's grip, which is prior to the fight. In fact, Leia wasn't even aware of her own BM. So, Leia mentioning her involvement after the duel is compatible with her passively unlocking Luke’s potential beforehand, and more importantly, her own opinion during the scene is not credible, as she was unaware of what was going on.

This + Leia glowing right before their fight, which intensifies as moments pass (just like her amp “intensifies” until the very moment Luke disarms Sheev), and the fact that nothing is directly contradicted in the audiobook make it a no-brainer for anyone who isn’t a no-brainer themselves.

DE Luke bested Palps with Sabers fair and square, the notion he was amped is something that's plagued this community for over a decade. It's time it died.
KEK

You getting so hysterically angry at people disagreeing with your [biased] interpretation of the material and incessantly throwing around these faux-insults(like little hissy-fits) is what's "worrying" to me, lol.

The audio drama makes absolutely NO mention of Leia amping Luke prior to him besting Palpatine in sabers... None at all. If it wasn't mentioned, implied, or alluded to, then why on earth should I assume that it was happening..? Because the comics depict Leia with a 'glow' around her during the fight? Lol, please.

In the audio drama, the amp ONLY came AFTER the saber clash. Period/end of story.

At this point, I hope for your own sake that you're trolling.

If trolling = pointing out facts from the audio drama, then yes. That's exactly what I'm doing. 🙂

You getting THIS heated because people are disagreeing with you is kind of unsettling, though. I've never seen anything quite like it, tbh.

Not every impolite person is angry, just like not every stupid comment is a fact. You keep repeating yourself like you have a syndrome or something. You still haven't proven why we should ignore every other source out there and look solely on the audio drama. Until then, no one will take you seriously, here. You can trust me on that one.

I'm repeating myself because you don't seem to be comprehending/grasping anything I have said here. Instead you're just lashing out in blind anger because you apparently cannot cope with people disagreeing with you. Not sure why you feel the need to be so hostile in every post... I've been quite respectful towards you so far. 🙂

As I have repeatedly stated: I am(and have been) exclusively discussing the audio drama here. That said, the DE comics do not explicitly contradict it, nor does the bio you posted.

In the comics Leia was only stated the have started amping Luke AFTER he bested Palpatine in sabers(which is corroborated in the audio drama.) The bio only references Leia's presence "lightening Luke's spirit" before the saber clash(which is also corroborated in the audio drama.) This is certainly not the same as 'amping' him prior to the fight, however... The comics/audio drama make it clear that Leia's presence essentially just broke Palpatine's hold over Luke, which allowed him to come back to the light... But again, per the audio drama the amp ONLY came AFTER the saber clash -- it makes NO mention/implication of him being amped beforehand.

Put your personal emotions/bias/conjecture to the side for a second, and look at the EXPLICIT evidence... Because that's what I am referencing. If you're not willing to do that, and would prefer to just childishly bash everyone who disagrees with you, then this 'discussion' is over. I'm not going to feed that sort of behavior.

Holy cringe

Just to throw in my two cents. Galan's evidence for the Battle Mediation beginning after the bout is flawed. We know based on the comic that Leia was unaware of her BM. Therefore, her own commentary on the subject holds little value. This confusion is solved if we differentiate a force bond from Battle Meditation. We assume Leia was passively amping Luke, without being aware herself, and then she makes a conscious effort to stop Palps alongside her brother. This explanation also fits with the glow.

But she WAS aware of her ability to amp Luke, because in both sources she consciously did so.

The notion that the writer was 'lying' to us, and wanted us to instead make assumptions sounds 'flawed' to me.

So what? Palpatine's Dark Side nexus(Eclipse) increased his own power and hindered Luke and Leia's. So, they are even.

Originally posted by Galan007
But she WAS aware of her ability to amp Luke, because in both sources she consciously did so.

I refuse to accept the notion that the writer was lying to us, and wanted us to instead make assumptions.

She was aware of her ability to bond with Luke, but she was not aware of her BM. This is why Leia finds BM incredibly difficult to comprehend. Her knowledge on the subject is EXTREMELY limited.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MEPjBXlJLms/WuE0mAP_4eI/AAAAAAAAMl0/2bDVC185t1gKspy7VA8lYPgU2HZ5UiNtwCL0BGAYYCw/h632/3063235608239541600%253Faccount_id%253D1

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm repeating myself because you don't seem to be comprehending/grasping anything I have said here. Instead you're just lashing out in blind anger because you apparently cannot cope with people disagreeing with you. Not sure why you feel the need to be so hostile in every post... I've been quite respectful towards you so far. 🙂

As I have repeatedly stated: I am(and have been) exclusively discussing the audio drama here. That said, the DE comics do not explicitly contradict it, nor does the bio you posted.

In the comics Leia was only stated the have started amping Luke AFTER he bested Palpatine in sabers(which is corroborated in the audio drama.) The bio only references Leia's presence "lightening Luke's spirit" before the saber clash(which is also corroborated in the audio drama.) This is certainly not the same as 'amping' him prior to the fight, however... The comics/audio drama make it clear that Leia's presence essentially just broke Palpatine's hold over Luke, which allowed him to come back to the light... But again, per the audio drama the amp ONLY came AFTER the saber clash -- it makes NO mention/implication of him being amped beforehand.

Put your personal emotions/bias/conjecture to the side for a second, and look at the EXPLICIT evidence... Because that's what I am referencing. If you're not willing to do that, and would prefer to just childishly bash everyone who disagrees with you, then this 'discussion' is over. I'm not going to feed that sort of behavior.

I agree tbh. 👆

But light side Battle Meditation does not increase your power in the Force or your skills. It just gives you a greater will to continue the fight. The Sith Battle Meditation does that because it's sort of 'mind control'.
Light Side Battle Meditation description:

"With sufficient concentration, a Jedi—such as you or I—can strengthen the hopes of our allies and heighten the fears of our enemies…thus, what the armies know in their hearts must become true… because they believe it so strongly."
Odan Ur

Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
She was aware of her ability to bond with Luke, but she was not aware of her BM. This is why Leia finds BM incredibly difficult to comprehend. Her knowledge on the subject is EXTREMELY limited.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MEPjBXlJLms/WuE0mAP_4eI/AAAAAAAAMl0/2bDVC185t1gKspy7VA8lYPgU2HZ5UiNtwCL0BGAYYCw/h632/3063235608239541600%253Faccount_id%253D1

Both the source material and audio drama explicitly state that Leia consciously added her power to Luke's. She undoubtedly knew what she was doing.

And how do you explain the glowing during the fight?