Originally posted by h1a8
I admitted that stars have energy that acted on Thor. But force?
How much?
We can't quantify it except by the acceleration Thor experienced when he let go. And going by that then not much force.The feat only proved that Thor is highly heat resistant. Nothing more.
Originally posted by h1a8
Protrude = outward push
I think i see what you are saying.
You mean force as in kinetic energy? As a direct punch or impact?
Originally posted by Silent Master
That is just H1 trying to low ball the feat by claiming the special effects do not match real world physics. If we judged everything by how it would work in the real world, we would likely have to disqualify 99% of the feats.It's like he's never heard of suspension of disbelief.
But you can't quantify how much force a star can push something with. Because stars don't push, they burn. So we must go on how fast Thor was pushed. We have nothing else. It even appears that Thor is resisting getting burned alive, not being pushed. That is what nearly everyone who saw the movie thought. Rage is making up shit that don't exist.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderKinda. Like a push. Not being burned.
I think i see what you are saying.You mean force as in kinetic energy? As a direct punch or impact?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
.Watch the movie again.
What are you even saying here bro?
What is your definition of force, and who taught it to you? You're coming off autistic tbh.
The most destructive events in the Universe such as gamma ray bursts, neutron Stars or black holes wouldn't have force by your definition.
A force is a push or pull that causes objects of mass to accelerate. How much force was Thor being pushed with? Or was it mostly burning energy?
The stars energy was being harnessed via magical/super advanced alien tech. Trying to apply real world physics to lowball the feat is silly at best and exceedingly disingenuous at worst.
Personally I lean towards exceedingly disingenuous, considering your normal stance of stating a writers intention trumps everything. Go ahead, explain how the writers intention was clearly that the feat was not very impressive.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The stars energy was being harnessed via magical/super advanced alien tech. Trying to apply real world physics to lowball the feat is silly at best and exceedingly disingenuous at worst.Personally I lean towards exceedingly disingenuous, considering your normal stance of stating a writers intention trumps everything. Go ahead, explain how the writers intention was clearly that the feat was not very impressive.
What other logic can we apply to quantify the feat?
Thor took the full heat of a star?
I’ll go with that.
If not then you must consider that forces push. And stars don’t push. So if the magical tech creates a push from the star then how much push?
After all, going by the suspension of disbelief, it appeared Thor was getting burned through most of the showing, not pushed.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I see H1 is still (like always) doing his best to discredit superior feats of MCU characters because like his horrid DCEU, his characters have some low showings.Superman = 30 years on earth/ less than 10 enemies fought/ 1ko and 1 death
Thor= 1,500 years alive/ 3k+ enemies killed/ 2kos
I’m not discrediting a feat. Rage is making up bullshit that don’t exist. It’s clear Etri meant the full heat temperature of a star. Great feat but only against being burned.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And radiation that is.
Yes that too.
@CPT
I’m obsessed with super speed.
DC has more speedsters and that’s why I side with them more times than not.
I have stated many times that if speed was equalized Thor would beat Superman 10/10. That’s clearly not DC bias but speed bias.
Proof that h1 only lowballs Marvel feats. IIRC. Wonder Woman never caused any somic booms during her superspeed scenes. thus physics tells us that she was going under the speed of sound.
Superman also didn't cause any sonic booms during his brief fight with the Flash. thus they were moving below the speed of sound during that scene. a scene that had WW basically frozen in time.
IOW: unless h1 has massive double standards, he will agree and start arguing that WW's speed is at best a tiny fraction of mach 1.
I could go on with how using physics. we could disqaulify most of Superman's strength feats. but let's wait and see if h1 will be true to his claim of non-bias.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Proof that h1 only lowballs Marvel feats. IIRC. Wonder Woman never caused any somic booms during her superspeed scenes. thus physics tells us that she was going under the speed of sound.Superman also didn't cause any sonic booms during his brief fight with the Flash. thus they were moving below the speed of sound during that scene. a scene that had WW basically frozen in time.
IOW: unless h1 has massive double standards, he will agree and start arguing that WW's speed is at best a tiny fraction of mach 1.
I could go on with how using physics. we could disqaulify most of Superman's strength feats. but let's wait and see if h1 will be true to his claim of non-bias.
You can argue with others, that Superman, Quicksilver, etc were all moving below the speed of sound due to the lack of a sonic boom. I don't mind.
The problem you are not seeing is that i wasn't lowballing anything. Rage is claiming a large force (not energy or heat) but gives us no way to quantify how much (stars don't emit large forces). When someone lowball they don't ask how do you quantify it like i did.
Originally posted by h1a8
You can argue with others, that Superman, Quicksilver, etc were all moving below the speed of sound due to the lack of a sonic boom. I don't mind.The problem you are not seeing is that i wasn't lowballing anything. Rage is claiming a large force (not energy or heat) but gives us no way to quantify how much. When someone lowball they don't ask how do you quantify it like i did.
How fast is WW?
Yes, you are.
Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Ive seen people calculate WW around Mach 4-5
We are applying h1's standard here, which would mean she is a statue to people moving under the speed of sound.
Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
This thread is getting crazy. I dont think Thors feat is as low ball as H1 is saying or as impressive as some others are saying. I just cant inagine how Thor recieved such a massive upgrade from being defeated by Thanos and crew to tanking neutron stara iin no time at all.
We were fine with just saying it's impressive as hell, we only started getting into the numbers in response to people trying to massively lowball it
Originally posted by Arachnid1
The neutron star was encased in the sphere contraption to make it safe to work with. It was opened slightly and Thor was exposed to heat close to its surface for a couple of seconds. The surface of a neutron star is typically around 600,000 K (they start off stupid hot, but fall to no more than 1,000,000 K after a few years; the neutron star in IW was at least 1000 years though likely a fuk ton longer). This nearly killed Thor.Superman was in the dead center of a nuke. The center of a nuke is always between 27,778,033 K and 83,333,589 K, and Supes was there long enough for it to dissipate (so pretty damn long). This nearly killed Superman.
Thor's feat doesn't come close to Supes. It's between 1/28 and 1/83 as impressive. Their durability isn't even comparable (and honestly, neither is their strength or speed). Superman dwarves him in every way.
You do realize that such heat only lasts an insignificant fraction of a second, right?
And that a Star has significantly higher mass, so even if the temperature is lower, the total heat is higher.
And that Superman was turned into what may as well be a mummy.
Originally posted by WolvesofBabylonIt is an insane feat but I don’t put as much stock into these exclusive feats since they aren’t consistent nor do they alter the hierarchy alone.
This thread is getting crazy. I dont think Thors feat is as low ball as H1 is saying or as impressive as some others are saying. I just cant inagine how Thor recieved such a massive upgrade from being defeated by Thanos and crew to tanking neutron stara iin no time at all.