Originally posted by h1a8
I will apply logic and reasoning to anyone’s stand. Give me an example where someone else used logic and reasoning and I was a hypocrite.
You're currently using "logic and reason" to lowball Surtur's size and weight, yet you refuse to apply that same level of scrutiny to WW's sword.
https://www.fxguide.com/featured/building-character-with-thor-part2/?cn-reloaded=1
During the sequence Mega Surtur grew. He ranged from roughly 800m when he first appeared to about 4,000m when he finally destroyed Asgard.
1) We absolutely can ballpark the density of Surtur, I already cited more than one statement that states that he's made of magma and magma has a known density, even using the low end it's over twice the density of water.
Basalt magma: 2.65 to 2.80 gm/cm3 Andesite magma: 2.45 to 2.50 gm/cm3 Rhyolite magma: 2.18 to 2.25 gm/cm3https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-density-of-magma
2) Already cited the statement that show he starts at 800 meters and that it was his minimum size, ergo he was already 800+ meters by the time Hulk punched him, Hulk was merely shown bigger so we could actually see him on the screen instead of him being a dot, if you scale Surtur to the palace 800 meters is about right.
If you want to ignore the official statement and go with 100 meters, then you can never debate using authorial intent or author statements again.
That Hulk only did it with a leaping punch is not relevant, because Thor survived a leaping punch with Hulk' full bodyweight behind it, just like Surtur recieved.
Originally posted by Nevan
1) We absolutely can ballpark the density of Surtur, I already cited more than one statement that states that he's made of magma and magma has a known density, even using the low end it's over twice the density of water.https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-density-of-magma
http://www.usu.edu/geo/shervais/G4500_PDF/45Week1B_Magmas.pdf2) Already cited the statement that show he [B]starts
at 800 meters and that it was his minimum size, ergo he was already 800+ meters by the time Hulk punched him, Hulk was merely shown bigger so we could actually see him on the screen instead of him being a dot, if you scale Surtur to the palace 800 meters is about right.If you want to ignore the official statement and go with 100 meters, then you can never debate using authorial intent or author statements again.
That Hulk only did it with a leaping punch is not relevant, because Thor survived a leaping punch with Hulk' full bodyweight behind it, just like Surtur recieved. [/B]
What a movie shows >>>> any statements that contradict it. If Cap stands next to Hulk and Hulk appears to be 1.5 feet taller then an official statement saying Hulk is 20ft is clearly wrong. Also you must show the official statement and prove that it is official (not that it matters anyway). Clear pause the scene where Hulk is about to smash Surtur's head. You will see that his head is only about 4-5 times the height of Hulk himself. Hulk is about 2.5m. Do the math.
And you are assuming he is made of magna rock. He could just be flame and ash. We don't have a freaking clue what he is made of.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're currently using "logic and reason" to lowball Surtur's size and weight, yet you refuse to apply that same level of scrutiny to WW's sword.
What? Did you attempt to measure Surtur's height? How do you know that I'm lowballing it? You can clearly see that Surtur's head is about 4-5 Hulk lengths. Hulk is about 2.6m tall. Do the math?
And lowballing/highballing someone's height has absolutely nothing to do with WW's sword cutting DD.
You have argued writer's intention trumps what is shown on screen, yet here you are arguing that we should take your numbers for what is shown on screen over what the movie intended.
You are a hypocrite.
Originally posted by h1a8
And lowballing/highballing someone's height has absolutely nothing to do with WW's sword cutting DD.
I thought you were supposed to be smart, it has everything to do with it because it showcases your double standards in regards to analyzing feats/evidence.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You have argued writer's intention trumps what is shown on screen, yet here you are arguing that we should take your numbers for what is shown on screen over what the movie intended.You are a hypocrite.
First of all, he never proved that writer's intentions were that Surtur was 800m tall at the time struck him. Second, Surtur was still growing after Hulk struck him.
https://www.fxguide.com/featured/building-character-with-thor-part2/?cn-reloaded=1
During the sequence Mega Surtur grew. He ranged from roughly 800m when he first appeared to about 4,000m when he finally destroyed Asgard.
Originally posted by Silent Master
https://www.fxguide.com/featured/building-character-with-thor-part2/?cn-reloaded=1
During the sequence Mega Surtur grew. He ranged from roughly 800m when he first appeared to about 4,000m when he finally destroyed Asgard.
Well his estimate is way off. I'm thinking he just guessing random heights since he had no actual idea how tall Surtur was (he didn't do any calculations).
Bottom line is
I don't think it's important to him that Surtur started out at 800m (since it's not in the story for us to know) but rather how visually tall he actually looked.
Even if one accepts the 800m height then Nevan still can't explain away the first punch making Surtur bend while other punches did absolutely nothing without coming to the conclusion that it was Hulk's weight and downward momentum that supplied the nigh majority of the force.
Originally posted by h1a8
Well his estimate is way off. I'm thinking he just guessing random heights since he had no actual idea how tall Surtur was (he didn't do any calculations).
Bottom line is
I don't think it's important to him that Surtur started out at 800m (since it's not in the story for us to know) but rather how visually tall he actually looked.Even if one accepts the 800m height then Nevan still can't explain away the first punch making Surtur bend while other punches did absolutely nothing without coming to the conclusion that it was Hulk's weight and downward momentum that supplied the nigh majority of the force.
That isn't an estimate, that is the people who did the special effects telling you how tall they made Surtur in the scene.
Originally posted by SquallXBatman in a one on one fight no holds barred kicked the shit out of Superman. One on one. Laughable. Come on Superman. You can’t even beat one human being with human reflexes. Hahahahahaa.
And Thor didn’t kill CaptaIn America and Iron Man when they were trying to stoke Loki from him.Again to quan. Stop lowballing!
Originally posted by The Spectre+The fight didn’t start with him weakened with Knite. That happened to Superman not only once but twice because Batman is fast enough to catch Superman with his mother on the line. The highest stakes for the man of steel and he still came out short.
@quan. You mean a superman weakened to the point of passing out.. you know what quan, why didnt bruce take on supes one on one WITHOUT kryptonite?
Originally posted by Silent Master
That isn't an estimate, that is the people who did the special effects telling you how tall they made Surtur in the scene.
It can not be. It is off by 700%.
Thats too LARGE of an error for an ON PURPOSE 800m in height.
No calculations were done on Surtur's height when making the film. Thus, it was a random number thrown out.
Originally posted by h1a8
It can not be. It is off by 700%.
Thats too LARGE of an error for an ON PURPOSE 800m in height.
No calculations were done on Surtur's height when making the film. Thus, it was a random number thrown out.
The people that did the special effects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.