Originally posted by ares834wtf?
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That wasn't even the same Thanos. The final battle could have been easily taken from the movie and would have had little impact on the overall plot.
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The final fight helped give closure to the other timeline. Now that the Thanos from that timeline is dead, he won't do the same thing and necessitate the time travel having to happen all over again.
Originally posted by deathslash
wtf?Spoiler:
The final fight helped give closure to the other timeline. Now that the Thanos from that timeline is dead, he won't do the same thing and necessitate the time travel having to happen all over again.
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The other timeline is irrelevant to the one we were watching. Plus, if that is the "excuse" then what about the other three timelines created by the Avengers time-traveling?
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Settle down there Captain Marvel.You honestly didn't get bored at least once during Endgame?
Honestly, boredom is not something I had a problem with either during the movie. What parts did you think were boring?
It does have its faults, don't get me wrong.
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PIS, weird MCU Professor Hulk not getting a chance to shine, shoehorning in of Captain Marvel instead of giving her something better to actually do, badly explained time travel
Originally posted by ares834......you do know thatSpoiler:
The other timeline is irrelevant to the one we were watching. Plus, if that is the "excuse" then what about the other three timelines created by the Avengers time-traveling?
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Cap returned the stones to their exact point in time right? This stopped the time travel from creating multiple realities.
Originally posted by deathslash
......you do know thatSpoiler:
Cap returned the stones to their exact point in time right? This stopped the time travel from creating multiple realities.
Which makes no sense.
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Since, in the main timeline, Thanos didn't disappear nor did Loki steal the space stone. But, assuming that you are correct, then that kills your earlier argument.
^ Yeah I dont get why
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the gems had to be returned, but not Thanos, Nebula, Gamora e.t.c. Also dont get why removing them from the timeline doesnt automatically change things, but having Cap go back effects the timeline pretty quickly, as in old Cap is already there
A lot of plot holes.
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They made fun of the rules of time travel from Back to the Future, then made Zero rules themselves
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
2) It's justified with Endgame, too. It's concluding 11 years of MCU. Something DC will never achieve.
lol true and neither will DC ever completely smash opening weekend records, which Marvel/Avengers have done 3 times now.
Yeah, the
Spoiler:Not sure if it has been mentioned before, but it leaves things like
time travel stuff caused a lot of potential plot holes.
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Loki in a weird limbo. Is he alive in the main time-line again now, or is he alive in a new splinter time-line that started at that moment where he grabbed the Tesseract and buggered off? Based on how the Ancient One explained it, the fact that instance in time's version of the Tesseract was removed from the time-line at that point, it caused a new one to split off at that moment.
If you guys can't follow this time travel bs, you clearly haven't watched DBZ.
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All the timelines were returned to their original state, which changed a few things in the original timeline. Presumably Loki is still alive, because his past changed, but this wasn't outright stated. Thanos went to the future, from an alternate timeline, meaning that Thanos in the second timeline, which is now the mainstream timeline- always goes to the future and gets killed. Banner directly explained this- "If you go to the past, that new past becomes your future, and the present becomes your new past". Meaning that the present where Thanos killed everyone with the snap became the past, where the past where Thanos went to the future and got killed by the snap- became the new future.Then Cap returned all the stones to their perspective times, essentially deleting all the branch timelines.
Meaning that 1. All the stones are destroyed, in the current timeline. 2. Thanos and all his soldiers are dead. 3. Loki might be alive. 4. Vision is still dead, as is the original Gommorah and Black Widow. and 5. Past Gommorah is now alive in the present, as well as the original Nebula.
It's really not that complicated.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
If you guys can't follow this time travel bs, you clearly haven't watched DBZ.Spoiler:
All the timelines were returned to their original state, which changed a few things in the original timeline. Presumably Loki is still alive, because his past changed, but this wasn't outright stated. Thanos went to the future, from an alternate timeline, meaning that Thanos in the second timeline, which is now the mainstream timeline- always goes to the future and gets killed. Banner directly explained this- "If you go to the past, that new past becomes your future, and the present becomes your new past". Meaning that the present where Thanos killed everyone with the snap became the past, where the past where Thanos went to the future and got killed by the snap- became the new future.Then Cap returned all the stones to their perspective times, essentially deleting all the branch timelines.
Meaning that 1. All the stones are destroyed, in the current timeline. 2. Thanos and all his soldiers are dead. 3. Loki might be alive. 4. Vision is still dead, as is the original Gommorah and Black Widow. and 5. Past Gommorah is now alive in the present, as well as the original Nebula.
It's really not that complicated.
Wait, wait, wait...
What are the rules for
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time travel here?Can the past be changed or not? Let's start there. Because Bruce suggested they could not. Yet Cap seemed to have changed his at the end.
So lets address that first. Then we can get into the convolutions of randomly pulling out Gamora, Thanos and Nebula from history, and doing what we like with them with zero repercussions to the timeline.
Originally posted by -Pr-Spoiler:
It's all parallel universes. All of it. You can't change your own past. So every action they do is creating parallel universes where action B happens instead of A. Yes, even Captain America.
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So how did old man Cap end up there in the main Universe if Young Cap went back to a parallel Universe?
Originally posted by Darth ThorSpoiler:
So how did old man Cap end up there in the main Universe if Young Cap went back to a parallel Universe?
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My understanding was that:-Cap leaves our time/universe to return the stones to the timelines that were created when the stones were taken.
-Cap goes and puts the stones back where they were, but when it's time to come back, he doesn't let himself be brought back, instead staying in this parallel universe. He marries Peggy and settles down.
-At the end of the movie, Cap uses his GPS bracelet to finally come back to our time/universe.
That was what I got from it, at least.
Originally posted by -Pr-Spoiler:
My understanding was that:-Cap leaves our time/universe to return the stones to the timelines that were created when the stones were taken.
-Cap goes and puts the stones back where they were, but when it's time to come back, he doesn't let himself be brought back, instead staying in this parallel universe. He marries Peggy and settles down.
-At the end of the movie, Cap uses his GPS bracelet to finally come back to our time/universe.That was what I got from it, at least.
Not only is that not implied by the film but it would have been impossible.
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Every time a character returns to the main timeline involves the "time machine" calling them back. In other words, the only time Steve could have returned was when Hulk was activating the machine and he would have returned to the machine. He didn't. The implication was Steve has been living his life in the main timeline all along which makes no sense and contradicts the earlier time travel rules.