Originally posted by Emperordmb"while people lying and attempting to disingenuously weasel their way into unearned positions of social influence is immoral" -DMB
No it's because this is legitimately just sad.In an attempt to impugn Surtur's intellectual or moral character as either an idiot or a liar, you're zeroing in on some vagary in Surtur's statement that isn't even important and obsessing over it.
Best case scenario for Surtur, what me and like two other people are telling you about the distinction between what Surtur said and the example you brought up holds, and you're just wrong.
Worst case scenario for Surtur, you're right, and it was a mere imprecision in speech or conceptualization of the categories on Surtur's part that's understandable given how other people are debating you on it.
Either way none of this takes away from Surtur's overall point which is that something being from another culture being used in and of itself is not a valid reason to complain, while people lying and attempting to disingenuously weasel their way into unearned positions of social influence is immoral.
You aren't really trying to detract from the valid point he's making, you're trying to impugn his moral and intellectual character in a very weak way. Usually I try to stay out of the bullshit that gets traded back and forth between you two but this is just sad.
Would still be a form of cultural appropriation in how Warren and Dolezal were accused. Which would mean there are instances where CP is not okay. /thepoint
You're trying to separate the lie from the CP and they're one/same. Let's move beyond Surt's victimhood, but do you see how separating them is silly, when they're dependent on each other here.
edit: If Warren isn't actually NA, then what she did in indeed shit; I personally don't know her family history. Dolezal though, is a silly turd, she's completely White iirc.
Originally posted by Robtard
"while people lying and attempting to disingenuously weasel their way into unearned positions of social influence is immoral" -DMBWould still be a form of cultural appropriation in how Warren and Dolezal were accused. Which would mean there are instances where CP is not okay. /thepoint
You're trying to separate the lie from the CP and they're one/same. Let's move beyond Surt's victimhood, but do you see how separating them is silly, when they're dependent on each other here.
Originally posted by darthgoober
By saying one is descended from Native American's or Africans one is actually discussing an empirical genetic fact. Culture is more subjective then that and is dependent upon more factors than ones direct ancestors.
Sure, that is overall true. But on the subject matter at hand, they seem to be combined.
Originally posted by Robtard
Sure, that is overall true. But on the subject matter at hand, they seem to be combined.
Originally posted by darthgoober
But see that's the thing, they're not combined here because Surter is objecting to them lying about the genetics they were born with, not the culture they've adopted. I doubt he'd really care if homegirl decided to wear a headdress, live in a Tepee, and spend her weekends at pow wows. He's actually objecting to GENETIC APPROPRIATION, not cultural appropriation.
The thing-thing here: Warren's NA cookbook which he had a problem with would be a cultural thing; not a genetic thing. See.
Originally posted by Robtard
Come on, man.Not sure how a cookbook/recipe is "genetics", recipes are cultural. Not "I was born knowing how to make grandma's fried chicken cos genetics."
Originally posted by Robtard
The thing-thing here: Warren's NA cookbook which he had a problem with would be a cultural thing; not a genetic thing. See.
Surtur didn't give two shits about whether or not she used Native American cooking, he laughed at the ridiculousness of her using that as evidence for her ancestry.
Nah, she was trying to sell books and make a profit via cultural appropriation. Cos if her book was "E. Warren's Cooking" and did not have the NA spin into it, even less people would have been interested in it. But it's still a case of improper CP.
Granted, it's hardly a scandal as far as scandals go, but that's not the point.
Originally posted by Robtard
Nah, she was trying to sell books and make a profit via cultural appropriation. Cos if her book was "E. Warren's Cooking" and did not have the NA spin into it, even less people would have been interested in it. But it's still a case of improper CP.Granted, it's hardly a scandal as far as scandals go, but that's not the point.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't remember her trying to sell it, I remember her trying to posit it as evidence she's descended from Native Americans.
Lol at this point Rob is just full of shit.
Originally posted by Surtur
It's definitely not a compliment lol. The purpose is to point out her lies. Which is why, imo, it was dumb of her to cry about this. Think about it for a second. Trump was being Trump. I agree 100% there is no excuse for it, I have said I wouldn't have advised him to say it if I worked for him and he told me he was planning to.The fact of the matter is this isn't going to do any serious damage to him. On the other hand, now Warrens own lies are being talked about again. The Daily Show is very very anti-Trump lol, and Noah referred to him as "woke" for this insult.
And yes she contributed to a cook book called "Pow Wow Chow" that was billed as containing recipes from NA tribes lol. And if this article is true...it's utterly hilarious:
[b]"Massachusetts Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren is yet again in hot water after new allegations have surfaced that she plagiarized her 'Cherokee' recipes in the book Pow Wow Chow from the New York Times and other publications.
Radio talk show host Howie Carr released damning evidence that appears to confirm that Mrs Warren's weren't handed down from generation to generation, they were picked up in the newspaper."
😆 [/B]
As I said, I thought the cook book thing was funny.
Originally posted by Robtard
You also went on to say she's a 'piece of shit' for it, convenient for you to leave that part out...Did it really take you two days to find that? Should have asked, I could have done it in 5 mins or less for you, "legendary memory" and all.
LOL keep grasping at those straws.
And no it didn't take 2 days to find. It took a few seconds when I decided to actually look for it.