Glad you brought up Flash. How fast is Flash going here...
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Glad you brought up Flash. How fast is Flash going here...
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Originally posted by carver9
Glad you brought up Flash. How fast is Flash going here...https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111126988/4858435-the+flash.jpg
Hehehe. You wanna do this dance, carver? OK.
They were CARRIED there UNDER the speed of light. Statement is as clear as day.
He carried them under the speed of light, but the statement says NOTHING about how fast he was going when he was running back into the city.
Guess what?
The comic DOES say, however, how fast the entire operation took (0.00001 microseconds). How many people there were (532,000). The maximum carrying capacity of Flash (max 2 people). How far away he carried them (35miles).
And, crucially, without ignoring it, the ENTIRE time period it took to evacuate them.
From there, it is simple to calculate how fast he was going.
I'm just happy you didn't use a low showing. We are both better than that 🙂
Edit: a wiser poster once said:
Originally posted by Board Walker
For those arguing it was beneath light speed, we were given very specific numbers. There is no ambiguity to the term 0.00001 microseconds, is there? That is a precise measure of time. There's no ambiguity to the term 35 miles, is there? That's a precise measurement of distance. There's no ambiguity in 532,000 people, is there? What is indirect about these things, that I had to do grade school math?You can't say he wasn't above lightspeed in the event unless you believe he did not save those people. You can't have it both ways. It is literally impossible for him to save 532,000 people by moving them 35 miles in 0.0001 microseconds (or in a few seconds if you take Jesse's third hand knowledge over the statement in the original comic yourself).
Seriously, if you think, honestly truly believe, Wally was under light speed in this feat, how did the people not die? Just answer me that. This is important because Wally clearly saved those people. You are more worried about Wally being seen as weaker that you ignore what you're arguing for entails. It literally means he can't do what he did.
If you are one of those who say preference should not determine fact. The fact is Wally saved half a million people before a nuke could harm a single soul. Tell me how he did it at under lightspeed and I'll believe you.
Furthermore Jesse didn't correct anything. She literally referenced an event she was not there to witness and we have no idea where she heard about what Wally did from. It's a truly irrelevant page and it's a shame you're so attached to it.
It was actually mentioned twice on how fast he went. It even tells us why he was fatigued. "As his body sloughs off the screaming after effects of NEAR LIGHT SPEED TRAVEL".
Not only do they tell you once, it tells you twice but gives you a clear indication of why he was fatigued. So again, how fast was Flash going because if he was going FTL, it wouldve said it.
This is what I mean by accepting statements and not accepting it. The picking and choosing is hilarious.
Originally posted by carver9
It was actually mentioned twice on how fast he went. It even tells us why he was fatigued. "As his body sloughs off the screaming after effects of NEAR LIGHT SPEED TRAVEL".Not only do they tell you once, it tells you twice but gives you a clear indication of why he was fatigued. So again, how fast was Flash going because if he was going FTL, it wouldve said it.
Yes. Because his last run was carrying someone out.
Let's say you're Usain Bolt.
You have two races today, at the Olympics. The 100m sprint, and then later, in the afternoon, an 800m run.
After you run the 800m, you collapse to the floor, absolutely bone-achingly tired, having run 800m in 2 minutes 7 seconds.
Quick maths time, that means the Carver body is sloughing off the screaming after effects of running 800m in 2 minutes 7.
That's 14mph, btw.
Is that your top speed over 100m?
Answer: it is not, lol. Bolt runs 100m at a speed of 23.4mph.
You always ignore that the comic only states he carried them out under the speed of light. It never said how fast he was going on average, over the whole 0.0001microseconds, over 70 miles, with 2 out of 532,000 people.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes. Because his last run was carrying someone out.Let's say you're Usain Bolt.
You have two races today, at the Olympics. The 100m sprint, and then later, in the afternoon, an 800m run.
After you run the 800m, you collapse to the floor, absolutely bone-achingly tired, having run 800m in 2 minutes 7 seconds.
Quick maths time, that means the Carver body is sloughing off the screaming after effects of running 800m in 2 minutes 7.
That's 14mph, btw.
Is that your top speed over 100m?
Answer: it is not, lol. Bolt runs 100m at a speed of 23.4mph.
You always ignore that the comic only states he carried them out under the speed of light. It never said how fast he was going on average, over the whole 0.0001microseconds, over 70 miles, with 2 out of 532,000 people.
Gotcha. So he went FTL to save them but we are told that (even though he went FTL) his body is sloughing off the screaming after effects of near light speed? Make sense.
🙂
It's a near light speed showing. That's IF we just use statements as a definite.
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. So he went FTL to save them but we are told that (even though he went FTL) his body is sloughing off the screaming after effects of near light speed? Make sense.🙂
It's a near light speed showing. That's IF we just use statements as a definite.
IF we use HALF statements.
Please post the whole statement: 'They were carried there, one at a time, sometimes two, at a hair breadth's short of the speed of light'.
You are literally being blind to 30% of the statement, lol.
And I'm not sure where your confusion lies, unless you are trying so hard to out-debate me? But it's really not working.
Why are you ignoring all of the other statements? The 0.0001 microsecond, the 532,000 people, the 35 miles?
And then being all triumphant and saying 'Teehee DS, I have you backed into a corner now! IF we only take statements' blah blah blah....when you ignore most of the other statements?
IOW, hypocrite. As I pointed out a page or so ago. You ONLY take statements when they suit you.
I, on the other hand, take all statements. He carried them there, we know how long it took, how many trips etc, how far it was - and we know how long his FINAL trip took.
Think back to my Usain Bolt analogy. If you have actually read this, start your post with the word 'potato'. At the end of the 800m race, when you collapse to the floor - does that mean the pace you just ran is your max in the 100m? Y/N?
Makes sense now? 🙂
Originally posted by carver9
What's more fatiguing on the body... running 14 mph or running 23.4 mph?
Lol. Over what distance?
14mph over 1000miles is a lot more fatiguing than 23.4mph over 10 feet.
Edit: are you rescuing/carrying anyone? Two people?
Edit edit: did you run 14 mph (for 800m) straight after you ran 23.4mph for 100m?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85"A wiser poster"
Hehehe. You wanna do this dance, carver? OK.They were CARRIED there UNDER the speed of light. Statement is as clear as day.
He carried them under the speed of light, but the statement says NOTHING about how fast he was going when he was running back into the city.
Guess what?
The comic DOES say, however, how fast the entire operation took (0.00001 microseconds). How many people there were (532,000). The maximum carrying capacity of Flash (max 2 people). How far away he carried them (35miles).
And, crucially, without ignoring it, the ENTIRE time period it took to evacuate them.
From there, it is simple to calculate how fast he was going.
I'm just happy you didn't use a low showing. We are both better than that 🙂
Edit: a wiser poster once said:
Board Walker
At least Carver has accidentally said something sharp witted throughout his internet debating career. I'm sure Board Walker knows what logic is, but "she" takes a hard right everytime it sneaks up.
I don't even know why people still argue about this feat. It was pretty obvious that the writer had no idea what he was talking about when people are calling Northstar speed feat trillions of times lightspeed or what have you.
Let me explain what's going on with this feat:
There are two answers provided by the author. His tighty whities were about to be marred by the uncouth nature of a frozen burrito. He needed to think of some numbers quick before his own chair island was subject to an explosion. So he did.
He comes back oh let's say 15 minutes later in a more relaxed state. His tighty whities as white as ever, and - I'm exaggerating when I say they were tighty whities. They were loosey whities as they've experienced a stretch over the years and you know what, he lost a few pounds too so good for him. So anyway as he sits down on his chair he watches his balls flip out of his loosey whities and he thinks to himself:
"Boy that was a pretty fast ejection from my off brand loosey whities. I could almost feel the air currents like someone was breathing on me. You'd think the hair would slow them down... for pubic hair my ball hair is pretty thin. Like head hair, wait... hair... breathing... fast. I got it, a hair's breadth of lightspeed!"
So without reading his quickly scrambled together white saving numbers, he throws that in too. No calculator, no further thought, under the assumption that the numbers would sync up because he's a pretty cool guy. He put no effort into it.
So then you ask yourself - What is right?
Well, both of them. This is the speed the writer wanted, and this is what he did. And they are both wrong as well. The answer you want is based on what you dislike or like most. You like speed, so you will go with the sketchy numbers. Carver hates DC so he will go with the stated speed. You could literally argue with yourself the merits of each one if you were so inclined and probably be right.
The author intent is what he said the speed is. His flawed writing that requires calculations that are much like a snowflake where no two answers are ever the same, are the "speed" as well. Bickering over the perpetual loop created by saying the speed you arrived at shows what a stupid thing you're arguing about. Maybe the dumbest argument in comics.
"Well I did the calculations and got a different number than the last 20 guys who did the calculations on the feat and arrived at 3.7 trillion times lightspeed. How do you even think this was under lightspeed?"
"The comic said it was."
Some truly awful shit.
Originally posted by carver9
This man is a genius. People forgot about telepathy which is the reason I kept saying LOOK AGAIN. That's the main factor here and they are fighting some of the best telepathies in comics. Wouldn't say a stomp but it does play a HUGE factor in this fight.
No, nobody forgot about it. The JLA has two telepaths and at least three characters outside of them all that have fought and beaten/resisted telepaths.
Telepathy isn't winning this fight. I mean, jfc, you MADE the thread. Did you NOT do the research?
Originally posted by -Pr-
No, nobody forgot about it. The JLA has two telepaths and at least three characters outside of them all that have fought and beaten/resisted telepaths.Telepathy isn't winning this fight. I mean, jfc, you MADE the thread. Did you NOT do the research?
They do have fts but they'll be fighting against being mindraped while defending against power output. It's not as if they are going to be fighting at their Prime while getting their minds tinkered with.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
"A wiser poster"[B]Board Walker
At least Carver has accidentally said something sharp witted throughout his internet debating career. I'm sure Board Walker knows what logic is, but "she" takes a hard right everytime it sneaks up.
I don't even know why people still argue about this feat. It was pretty obvious that the writer had no idea what he was talking about when people are calling Northstar speed feat trillions of times lightspeed or what have you.
Let me explain what's going on with this feat:
There are two answers provided by the author. His tighty whities were about to be marred by the uncouth nature of a frozen burrito. He needed to think of some numbers quick before his own chair island was subject to an explosion. So he did.
He comes back oh let's say 15 minutes later in a more relaxed state. His tighty whities as white as ever, and - I'm exaggerating when I say they were tighty whities. They were loosey whities as they've experienced a stretch over the years and you know what, he lost a few pounds too so good for him. So anyway as he sits down on his chair he watches his balls flip out of his loosey whities and he thinks to himself:
"Boy that was a pretty fast ejection from my off brand loosey whities. I could almost feel the air currents like someone was breathing on me. You'd think the hair would slow them down... for pubic hair my ball hair is pretty thin. Like head hair, wait... hair... breathing... fast. I got it, a hair's breadth of lightspeed!"
So without reading his quickly scrambled together white saving numbers, he throws that in too. No calculator, no further thought, under the assumption that the numbers would sync up because he's a pretty cool guy. He put no effort into it.
So then you ask yourself - What is right?
Well, both of them. This is the speed the writer wanted, and this is what he did. And they are both wrong as well. The answer you want is based on what you dislike or like most. You like speed, so you will go with the sketchy numbers. Carver hates DC so he will go with the stated speed. You could literally argue with yourself the merits of each one if you were so inclined and probably be right.
The author intent is what he said the speed is. His flawed writing that requires calculations that are much like a snowflake where no two answers are ever the same, are the "speed" as well. Bickering over the perpetual loop created by saying the speed you arrived at shows what a stupid thing you're arguing about. Maybe the dumbest argument in comics.
"Well I did the calculations and got a different number than the last 20 guys who did the calculations on the feat and arrived at 3.7 trillion times lightspeed. How do you even think this was under lightspeed?"
"The comic said it was."
Some truly awful shit. [/B]
Just to say, btw, that there was a third way, which was mine. It enabled BOTH statements ('carried under light speed' & '0.00001 hexajigglyseconds' to be true.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It's like you didn't read a word I wrote.
You said they have 2 (even though current Aquaman really haven't displayed unique telepathy abilities yet) telepaths that have resisted, etc...
What i am saying is, those 2 (really one) cant defend for the entire team, especially considering they are fighting some of Marvels best telepaths. They do have showings of resisting but do you honestly believe Martian Manhunter can defend the entire team vs 3 high end telepaths? Do you also believe that if Wonder Woman is getting mind attacked, she is just going to fly through it as if it is nothing. That is what is going to have to happen for this not to be a fight (FYI... just using WW as an example).
