Originally posted by Darth Thor
Again how is he going to touch someone who goes intangible, teleports and creates shields?If he gets touched, which you still haven't provided solid reasoning for how that would happen.
Going by feats the Mind Stone requires physical contact.
I... didn't claim he could do that.
That's not the no limits fallacy you've placed on DM though. This has started with you stating just because DM can matter manipulate a tank or a person doesn't mean he can matter manipulate someone as durable as Thanos.
I've simply turned that around and asked what proof is there (in that case) that Thanos can reality warp a being as powerful as DM.
Right, but Thanos being made of matter himself, places him in the realm of those physical laws as well. The ones that DM can bend.
You don't seem to have understood my argument at all.
My argument is that DM should be able to effect Thanos with his matter manipulation given that Thanos is made of matter.
Sure Thanos should most likely be able to reality warp DM as well.
However if we start calling out not to use a No Limits Fallacy, to assume DM can matter manipulate anyone without feats, then we have to question the same for reality warping.
I've already stated, if I had the choice, I would personally choose reality warping. But that doesn't make reality warping exempt from the no limits fallacy.
I never claimed it would.
You mean against much weaker opponents when they were simply running towards him?
Because he's not proven IT WOULD WORK on Thor.
Also the fact that in a combat scenario he didn't get a chance to use it on Thor, also brings into question how effective it would be against DM in a battle scenario.
DM can not only use TK by thinking (possibly TK the Guantlet off him, heck the team on Titan were stopping him clenching his fist, and almost got the Gauntlet off him) he can also teleport by thinking.
I don't get why we are acting as though Thanos does everything immediately at the speed of thought or something.
You have also completely ignored that DM sees the immediate future so would almost certainly act first.
On top of that his action will take less time.
So of course I would support DM in a quick draw.
So 1-2 seconds is the slowest you have when he's not even in a combat scenario 😬
Besides You have to compare that to feats of Thanos acting faster first, or at least as fast. And then you have to justify to me why Thanos would act simultaneously or prior to the guy who sees the immediate future.
Holy Shit.
That's a lot of reading to be done! 😂 GL Nibe.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Public board where you made a baseless claim. You cannot prove it but back down like the little ***** you are.Thanos wins this thread. Debate or leave.
Triggered! 😂
You are way to easy Quan. Now if you excuse me, am not looking to derail the thread, so chaooo!!!!! 😂
I recommend you to do the same!
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderSo you tuck tail and run. You are pretty gutless.
Triggered! 😂You are way to easy Quan. Now if you excuse me, am not looking to derail the thread, so chaooo!!!!! 😂
I recommend you to do the same!
Thanos wins based off the reasoning I provided earlier. You cannot counter so just leave the thread. You are gutless so ciao. That is how you spell the word, retard.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you tuck tail and run. You are pretty gutless.Thanos wins based off the reasoning I provided earlier. You cannot counter so just leave the thread. You are gutless so ciao. That is how you spell the word, retard.
No one takes your reasoning serious! And I've already given my arguments.
What a troll! ciao is in italian whilst chao is for spanish.
Once again, you prove your inferiority.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderThen refute it. You concede the debate and run from a debate.
No one takes your reasoning serious! And I've already given my arguments.What a troll! ciao is in italian whilst chao is for spanish.
Once again, you prove your inferiority.
you were trying to speak Italian, kiddo.
Thanos wins. Based off my reasoning. Reality stone.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Then refute it. You concede the debate and run from a debate.you were trying to speak Italian, kiddo.
Thanos wins. Based off my reasoning. Reality stone.
Debating your reasoning is actually considered trolling in today's standards.
Lol! You didn't even know chao was a correct word!!!
It's possible.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderSo you concede to Thanos using the reality stone for the win.
Debating your reasoning is actually considered trolling in today's standards.Lol! You didn't even know chao was a correct word!!!
It's possible.
You tried speaking Italian and misspelled it. I caught you, fat boy.
Ciao!
Doctor M. simply warps time and space, to remove the gems from Thanos's possession.
Just like should have happened in the comics. Seriously, characters could simply pull the damned thing off his hand, if he's not careful enough, it should be childs play for a high end cosmic being to get it from him. Even if they can't affect the gauntlet directly, they can certainly affect the space around it, to effectively teleport the thing.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
1. Again how is he going to touch someone who goes intangible, teleports and creates shields?2. If he gets touched, which you still haven't provided solid reasoning for how that would happen.
Going by feats the Mind Stone requires physical contact.
3. I... didn't claim he could do that.
4. That's not the no limits fallacy you've placed on DM though. This has started with you stating just because DM can matter manipulate a tank or a person doesn't mean he can matter manipulate someone as durable as Thanos.
5. I've simply turned that around and asked what proof is there (in that case) that Thanos can reality warp a being as powerful as DM.
6. Right, but Thanos being made of matter himself, places him in the realm of those physical laws as well. The ones that DM can bend.
7. You don't seem to have understood my argument at all.
My argument is that DM should be able to effect Thanos with his matter manipulation given that Thanos is made of matter.
Sure Thanos should most likely be able to reality warp DM as well.
However if we start calling out not to use a No Limits Fallacy, to assume DM can matter manipulate anyone without feats, then we have to question the same for reality warping.
I've already stated, if I had the choice, I would personally choose reality warping. But that doesn't make reality warping exempt from the no limits fallacy.
8. I never claimed it would.
9. You mean against much weaker opponents when they were simply running towards him?
10. Because he's not proven IT WOULD WORK on Thor.
11. Also the fact that in a combat scenario he didn't get a chance to use it on Thor, also brings into question how effective it would be against DM in a battle scenario.
12. DM can not only use TK by thinking (possibly TK the Guantlet off him, heck the team on Titan were stopping him clenching his fist, and almost got the Gauntlet off him) he can also teleport by thinking.
13. I don't get why we are acting as though Thanos does everything immediately at the speed of thought or something.
14. You have also completely ignored that DM sees the immediate future so would almost certainly act first.
15. On top of that his action will take less time.
So of course I would support DM in a quick draw.
16. So 1-2 seconds is the slowest you have when he's not even in a combat scenario 😬
17. Besides You have to compare that to feats of Thanos acting faster first, or at least as fast. And then you have to justify to me why Thanos would act simultaneously or prior to the guy who sees the immediate future.
1. Yes. It is entirely possible. If Thanos can paralyze him with the reality stone (even temporarily) like he did Drax, it is certainly possible.
2. See above.
3. And I never said you did. Reread I wrote. I am replying this line specifically:
Originally posted by Darth Thor
He changed Drax and Manta. And he's changed debris into bats. None of that is beyond Manhattan's matter manipulations abilties either.
So I asked what “feats” you are basing the comment where you feel such matter manipulation is within DM’s abilities. Which is why I said: “equal or even close to”.
4. That’s is LITERALLY and EXACTLY the same thing. How are those 2 different? IF a character is being repped to be able to do something and do it at a certain level, they need “feats” to support it. W/c was my point.
5. That’s a weird question to ask. Why would “power” be a passive form of resistance against reality warp? I would feel “durability” or “will” or “magic defenses” even would reasonably be. But power? Why is power relevant? Do you see me using Thanos’ power levels as a form of passive resistance? Are we talking about DM using his power to actively resist reality warp (w/c is active resistance)? In w/c case it becomes a comparison on who has more power?
6. Except that we’ve seen Thanos actively resist/shield himself against a variety of attacks one after another using the gem’s abilities. W/c was another one of my points. And the best we’ve seen DM do with his powers was destroy a tank. W/c is well under the destructive force Thanos has been able to simply shrug off with his passive durability. Does DM have any showings of passive durability that would make you think that he would resist a reality warp? If no, then pls point out where the no-limits fallacy is in what I said. I am not averse to giving DM the win, but pls provide the “feats” to support the stuff you are claiming he is going or is able to do.
7. Oh, I get that part of your argument quite well. Problem is, you don’t see the inherent flaws in it. Here let me break it down:
Thanos has durability “feats”. Showings that DM would need “feats” to overcome (with the attack ability ppl are arguing he would use) via what he has shown on screen. When his attack’s showings are below what Thanos’ has been able to resist, then it is a reasonable argument to say that Thanos would resist such an attack. Saying durability/defenses are irrelevant is the no limits fallacy.
DM has no durability showings that I can remember. No one has posted any in this debate. He can reconstitute/regenerate/reassemble/phase. But resistance? Where is it? What does Thanos have to overcome with his reality warp? Pls don’t say “power”, that is active resistance and full-IG Thanos has got far more of that than DM does. Until someone posts a durability or resistance “feat” for DM, then it is fair for ppl to argue that DM won’t be able to resist such Reality manip. No fallacy here.
8. Sigh. I never said you claimed it would. I was replying to you stating that my logic (which this is a part of) was a no limits fallacy. Which it is not. Of course, it is entirely possible that you didn’t mean to include this in your no-limits claim, but I was being thorough as it seemed that you simply did a blanket “no limits” claim without addressing specific arguments if they were included or not.
9. Drax and Mantis being “less powerful” has very little bearing here. The whole “power” argument for passive resistance is such a bad one. Seriously. We don’t suddenly think DM is resistant to telepathy because he is “powerful” do we? No, we look at certain resistance showings that are most relevant to the power being resisted. Durability against physical attacks like destructive attacks and matter manip, willpower against mental attacks like telepathy or hypnotism or pain attacks. Caveat: He can of course, resist using his matter manip power ACTIVELY (I have no problem with this). But that would boil down to a “feat vs feat” battle. W/c is one of my main points.
10. DM is not Thor, DM does not have even remotely the same durability “feats” as Thor. Nor is his “durability” even similar in nature to Thor (he has regeneration and phasing, Thor has pure resistance). So mentioning whether or not it would work on Thor is an irrelevant tangent. Much moreso because it was never even used on Thor. Again, it is strange that you would even mention it as it proves absolutely nothing.
11. Thor and DM are nowhere alike. And circumstances are different as DM will not be given a free sucker attack plus a follow up using a weapon designed by the same ppl who created the containment item for the Infinity Gems. So no, it not being used on Thor in a combat scenario has absolutely zero bearing here. Unless you can provide a specific reason why it would be?
12. The nature of the gauntlet is not common knowledge. A very select few even knows it even exists (while everyone on his Earth practically knows who DM is and what he can do). He is not omniscient and his futuresight is limited by his own experiences within the time stream. Is he even allowed to change it? From what I recall, he isn’t. I doubt he’d even know where Thanos’ powers come in his one single vision of the future. For Pete’s sake, Strange has a faaaaaaaaaaar better futuresight than DM. Didn’t help him one bit in over 14 million future scenarios.
13. I never claimed Thanos acts at the speed of thought. In fact, I was VERY EXPLICIT about asking for arguments/showings where their reaction speeds are compared with each other. That is why for the longest time I said that I was split due to the quickdraw scenario. It was when no one provided anything and I didn’t find anything compelling when I did my research that I decided to go with “Thanos wins” to get the ppl who DO think DM wins to provide their evidence/arguments.
14. Why in the world would seeing the immediate future make you act first? There is no prep here. And characters aren’t allowed prior knowledge before the fight starts. So DM’s futuresight won’t even trigger until they are both in the battlefield ready to attack each other (or defend against attack).
15. Why would his actions take less time? I wish you would elaborate your on comments more, I’m not a mind reader here.
16. Do you HAVE him TPing ppl in a combat scenario where the TP is faster? Pls post as I only have those showings as a basis.
17. Why would I need to justify a character attacking/defending in a hypothetical scenario where he is one of two characters that are made to fight each other? You are not making any sense.
Ok then, let’s do reaction speed showings. I’ll start with this: Here is Tony blasting Thanos with a laser and Thanos raising his hand, activating the gem (you can tell by the purple glow) and blocking it in a specific spot. This happened in less than a second.
(2:19)
Your evidence?
Originally posted by cdtm
Doctor M. simply warps time and space, to remove the gems from Thanos's possession.Just like should have happened in the comics. Seriously, characters could simply pull the damned thing off his hand, if he's not careful enough, it should be childs play for a high end cosmic being to get it from him. Even if they can't affect the gauntlet directly, they can certainly affect the space around it, to effectively teleport the thing.
As I said, I agree with Manhattan having a leverage in terms of how fast he can do something in relation to Thanos.
However, Manhattan has proven to be quite passive many a times. Underestimating Thanos isn't something he can afford.
A complete IG will give Thanos many ways to counter Manhattan should Thanos be aware of Manhattan's treat.
Originally posted by cdtmDid you watch the film? Clearly your post reeks of rule breaking, ignorance, and bias. Will you ever learn?
Doctor M. simply warps time and space, to remove the gems from Thanos's possession.Just like should have happened in the comics. Seriously, characters could simply pull the damned thing off his hand, if he's not careful enough, it should be childs play for a high end cosmic being to get it from him. Even if they can't affect the gauntlet directly, they can certainly affect the space around it, to effectively teleport the thing.