Originally posted by quanchi112
What points do you disagree with? You threaten to report like a baby then refuse to actually debate the merits of your position. Debate or leave.
I was debating h1, before you interrupted me with your fake account.
Now, if you'd excuse me, I'll wait for h1's response.
As i've said, i've embarrased you enough!
P.S: I am ignoring your Eon account. Stop being so annoying.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderSo you ask me to debate then run from it. Gtfo. You are a joke. Thanos wins based off the reasons I have given. H1 is your other account. We are onto you.
I was debating h1, before you interrupted me with your fake account.Now, if you'd excuse me, I'll wait for h1's response.
As i've said, i've embarrased you enough!
P.S: I am ignoring your Eon account. Stop being so annoying.
Ah, so now the verdict is truly out. This is a free forum where we don’t have to speak in turns. That’s a flawed reason for a Report.
And yet again you have no proof of me being a fake account. How cute. Your logic is poor and flawed. You’ve embarrassed no one. You won’t respond to me because of how butthurt you are.
No logic, no brains, but lots of ridiculous assumptions. Get back on topic, troll.
Thanos wins.
Originally posted by Nib
1) Yes, it would be an avenue. Tho, I already did say it is an irrelevant one. Mind control is all Thanos needs to win. And all he needs to do is touch DM to do it. I didn’t say this would happen right away, just that it could happen during a fight (Such as when Thanos wiped out Strange’s clones, shoved him back into a single body and pulled him in).
Again how is he going to touch someone who goes intangible, teleports and creates shields?
Originally posted by Nib
2) Manhattan has ZERO, none, zilch mental defense “feats”. At worst, he has gone on to show that he would lose a battle of wills against a very smart guy with a PHD in psychology. His powers made him mentally weak, not strong (mental strength is mostly built thru adversity and the will to overcome, he has spent most of his existent in the complete opposite of this w/c is shown by his complete apathy towards everything). IF Thanos manages to use the Mind gem, DM loses. Based on “feats”. Plain and simple.
If he gets touched, which you still haven't provided solid reasoning for how that would happen.
Going by feats the Mind Stone requires physical contact.
Originally posted by Nib
3) Based on what “feats”? Pls post DM matter control “feats” that would be equal or even close to: turning a living being into sentient confetti or sliced cubes without killing or even hurting them.
I... didn't claim he could do that.
Originally posted by Nib
4) That is NOT a no-limits fallacy. A no limits fallacy is if I stated that Thanos can perform something he has not shown to be able to do on screen.
That's not the no limits fallacy you've placed on DM though. This has started with you stating just because DM can matter manipulate a tank or a person doesn't mean he can matter manipulate someone as durable as Thanos.
I've simply turned that around and asked what proof is there (in that case) that Thanos can reality warp a being as powerful as DM.
Originally posted by Nib
DM’s powers are science-based, meaning they function within a rigid set of rules. He can bend them, sure, but he still needs to function within these rules. Thanos’ reality warp has allowed him to chop ppl up and turn them to confetti while they still remaining conscious and basically unhurt. To turn debris into bats and to turn energy blasts into bubbles. No amount of science-based matter manipulation would allow this, at least no amount that DM has shown on screen.
Right, but Thanos being made of matter himself, places him in the realm of those physical laws as well. The ones that DM can bend.
Originally posted by Nib
In terms of sheer scale, level of control and ability to break fundamental rules of the physical universe, Thanos “feats” shits on anything and everything DM did in the movie. IF not, then post “feats”.
You don't seem to have understood my argument at all.
My argument is that DM should be able to effect Thanos with his matter manipulation given that Thanos is made of matter.
Sure Thanos should most likely be able to reality warp DM as well.
However if we start calling out not to use a No Limits Fallacy, to assume DM can matter manipulate anyone without feats, then we have to question the same for reality warping.
I've already stated, if I had the choice, I would personally choose reality warping. But that doesn't make reality warping exempt from the no limits fallacy.
Originally posted by Nib
It is not a no-limits fallacy to state that, due to “feats”, Thanos’ reality manipulation would overrule DM’s matter and energy manipulation in a direct contest between the two.
I never claimed it would.
Originally posted by Nib
5) And what does that prove? Thanos used it on the guardians when it suited him. He doesn’t need to use it all the time, he just needs to be shown capable of using it.
You mean against much weaker opponents when they were simply running towards him?
Originally posted by Nib
He never got a chance to use it against Thor. Their exchange lasted a few seconds and Thanos was more interested in getting his life’s work done and leaving so he did. So I don’t know WHY you would even mention it.
Because he's not proven IT WOULD WORK on Thor.
Also the fact that in a combat scenario he didn't get a chance to use it on Thor, also brings into question how effective it would be against DM in a battle scenario.
Originally posted by Nib
6) Based on what “feats” does he win the quick draw? And why do you think Thanos would be unable to defend himself from forced teleportation when he’s been able to defend against something as escoteric as a mirror universe banishment? And why would you think an IG Thanos would be even hurt by the Sun when he can simply shield himself from it then teleport back?
DM can not only use TK by thinking (possibly TK the Guantlet off him, heck the team on Titan were stopping him clenching his fist, and almost got the Gauntlet off him) he can also teleport by thinking.
I don't get why we are acting as though Thanos does everything immediately at the speed of thought or something.
You have also completely ignored that DM sees the immediate future so would almost certainly act first.
On top of that his action will take less time.
So of course I would support DM in a quick draw.
Originally posted by Nib
Also, DM’s teleportation has a lag time of about a little over 1 to 2 seconds. It is not instantaneous. It is also pretty telegraphed due to the energy tendrils and the noise it makes.(1:11-1:13) When he telported Rorsh
(3:17-3:18) When he teleported away with SS
This would give Thanos sufficient time to defend himself from any and all teleport shenanigans DM would use on him.
So 1-2 seconds is the slowest you have when he's not even in a combat scenario 😬
Besides You have to compare that to feats of Thanos acting faster first, or at least as fast. And then you have to justify to me why Thanos would act simultaneously or prior to the guy who sees the immediate future.