Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerI just meant that without the second clip someone could argue that it didn't have to be magnetism. Just that it could have Magneto moving shit around in a patten. It doesn't matter though because of the second clip making it clear
That first one on the ground is a magnetic field pattern. You can see the resemblance here.
Originally posted by juggerman
I just meant that without the second clip someone could argue that it didn't have to be magnetism. Just that it could have Magneto moving shit around in a patten. It doesn't matter though because of the second clip making it clear
That would be a pretty big reach though IMO. Beyond the clear pattern, the actual direction of motion is also consistent with a magnetic field. Someone would literally have to argue that Magneto either coincidentally formed a perfect magnetic field representation with his powers, or deliberately decided to create that specific pattern despite hardly being emotionally stable at the time.
And I guess some people could buy that, but I wouldn't.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That would be a pretty big reach though IMO. Beyond the clear pattern, the actual direction of motion is also consistent with a magnetic field. Someone would literally have to argue that Magneto either coincidentally formed a perfect magnetic field representation with his powers, or deliberately decided to create that specific pattern despite hardly being emotionally stable at the time.And I guess some people could buy that, but I wouldn't.
I guess. But it doesn't matter now
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Hm. Well either way, very powerful magnets can still effect 316 stainless steel. Since magneto was effecting metals all over the world, I'm sure he's strong enough to trigger the paramagnetic properties in the pins in strange's hands.If that doesn't work, he still wears that broken watch, right?
I honestly don't know. And if he can, it will take him time.
Considering the earth is made of approx. 35% Iron Magneto didn't had trouble affecting it. Doesn't mean, ALL metals on earth were affected. Specially the non magnetic ones.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Before X-Men: Apocalypse, I would have agreed. But they specifically mention him screwing with magnetic fields at the end of the film, IIRC, when they mention that he was going to destroy everything built since the Bronze Age. Plus, look at the pattern at 1:55 odd in the clip I posted. That's magnetism.Maybe he can control both metal and magnetic fields? I really don't know at this point.
The Earth's magnetic field is a product of the Nickle-Iron core. Considering Magneto can affect Iron, then arguably he can affect the Magnetic field.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Earth's magnetic field is a product of the Nickle-Iron core. Considering Magneto can affect Iron, then arguably he can affect the Magnetic field.
I know how magnetism works. That's not the point. The actual point of my post was that the movies contradict themselves about his powers. In one film (X-Men 3), they explicitly state that his powers are "control over metal". That was Callisto's description of his abilities who, along with low-level superspeed, could sense other mutants and tell what they could do. Yet in X-Men: Apocalypse, it's magnetism manipulation. Which, while similar, is not actually the same. If he can already tear up all the metal in the world, there is no point in generating magnetic fields to achieve the same effect. Plus, it wouldn't explain the Auschwitz scene where, as we see, he actually appears to be generating magnetic fields himself. Not just manipulating the Earth's pre-existing one.
I personally hope they stick with the latter. Because it means we could potentially see Magneto delve further into the EM spectrum down the line, like his comic counterpart has done before.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I know how magnetism works. That's not the point. The actual point of my post was that the movies contradict themselves about his powers. In one film (X-Men 3), they explicitly state that his powers are "control over metal". That was Callisto's description of his abilities who, along with low-level superspeed, could sense other mutants and tell what they could do. Yet in X-Men: Apocalypse, it's magnetism manipulation. Which, while similar, is not actually the same. If he can already tear up all the metal in the world, there is no point in generating magnetic fields to achieve the same effect. Plus, it wouldn't explain the Auschwitz scene where, as we see, he actually appears to be generating magnetic fields himself. Not just manipulating the Earth's pre-existing one.I personally hope they stick with the latter. Because it means we could potentially see Magneto delve further into the EM spectrum down the line, like his comic counterpart has done before.
X - Men First Class answers the question, and why Magneto could never crush Shaw's helmet.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
X - Men First Class answers the question, and why Magneto could never crush Shaw's helmet.
Not really. That's just another inconsistency. In that film, he seemingly needed to use wires to remove the helmet. Meanwhile, in DoFP...
The X-Men movies really are a clusterphuck of inconsistencies.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Not really. That's just another inconsistency. In that film, he seemingly needed to use wires to remove the helmet. Meanwhile, in DoFP...The X-Men movies really are a clusterphuck of inconsistencies.
Well, he hated Shaw. He could have removed the Helment or crush, yet he didnt.
Either he cant cause the metal is resistant to his powers or because he was dumb
But agree, too many inconsistencies.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Well, he hated Shaw. He could have removed the Helment or crush, yet he didnt.Either he cant cause the metal is resistant to his powers or because he was dumb
But agree, too many inconsistencies.
Could be PIS in the First Class instance. There certainly is enough of it going around in those films. But yeah, the X-Men films are riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies. Days of Future Past was supposed to fix a lot of them, but it just replaced the old inconsistencies with new ones.
The worst thing is still the ages though, where characters look basically exactly the same each time despite decades supposedly passing between films. Canonically, there is 21 years between First Class and Apocalypse, but none of them look like they aged 2 decades during that time. For example, based on the timeline, Havok should be pushing 40 in the last film, considering he was taken from solitary in a prison facility in First Class, which suggests he was probably at least 18 at the time. Does this look like a 40-year-old to you:
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Wasn't the whole point of Shaw was that crushing him wouldn't have worked without Xavier turning off his powers with telepathy?
That's very true, but it still doesn't explain why he didn't just levitate it off Shaw's head though.
But hey, this is the same universe where Logan can somehow block optic blasts with his claws but gets sent staggering by a human in a cage match.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
20 something year old magneto wasn't as good at using his powers yet. They needed a whole training montage. Also, hidden chin strap?
That was a raw power thing, IIRC. Not a control thing. Earlier in the film, he was doing this:
Hence, why it is easiest to just chalk it up to PIS, IMO. Because it would hardly be the first or last instance of it in the X-Men films, and certainly not the worst.
By Magneto's own admission, he could already stop the bullets though. Hence why Xavier told him that he wasn't really pushing himself, which led to the whole satellite scene.
Xavier: "I can't shoot anybody pointblank. Let alone my friend."
Erik: "Oh, come on, you know I can deflect it. You are always telling me I should push myself."
Xavier: "If you know you can deflect it then you are not challenging yourself."