Originally posted by leonidas
you make a valid point. that's why i said the issue can't be resolved. bfr is terrible in the forum, which is why most say no bfr. but "operating at peak capacity" and "arguing based on powerset" often amount to the same thing. we try and factor in character into the argument with mixed success. /shrugthese are things that will always come up when arguing fiction. you have to know this by now.
Scans are used to back up powerset.
Example:
Argument: Luke cage is super strong. That's his powerset.
Full potential means he can use his full strength.
Does this mean he's lifting infinity/solar masses/planets? No.
Why?
Comic showings.
But we cannot deny he has super strength. No one is saying he has no limits. But he is very strong.
What about that time he failed to lift XYZ, when ten issues later he was able to cause earthquakes with his punches? And can lift ABC?
Well, the time he struggled with XYZ, is PIS, and we ignore it.
Here, in this thread. Is Reed clever? Yes. Clever enough to defeat the Hulk? I argue yes.
What about that time he failed to defeat Hulk, when X issues later he was able to solve world hunger/whatever?
Well, the time he struggled with the Hull, is PIS, and we ignore it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But this is a forum fight, not a comic fight.I don't think you quite understand how forum fights work. Its a fundamental thing to grasp.
Nope, it's a sometimer fight. I have seen plenty of people here say Surfer, Thor, etc... doesn't fight a certain way. It's all based on the characters you're debating. You keep mentioning Superman being smart but in comics, he get punched all of the time by people on Grundy level. Why is Thor a bad example but other people isnt?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But they're not in this thread. Isn't that what you say when I asked for Wolverine's claw showing? Stay on topic and all that?But yeah, ok. Superman whistles him out of existence. Who said anything about punching? 🙂
This is when you realize, actually, Superman fans hold back a LOT. If one time feats are used (which is fine) then....well.
Post the whistle out of existence scan. Let's look at it together.
The point is, you mentioned beings not throwing everything at a character in a single fight. Again, who does that? Then you mention thor being dumb to not bfr Doomsday? Where are you getting this from? And when did Doomsday become the Flash? Fast enough to cover distance before someone can react?
Originally posted by carver9
Post the whistle out of existence scan. Let's look at it together.The point is, you mentioned beings not throwing everything at a character in a single fight. Again, who does that? Then you mention thor being dumb to not bfr Doomsday? Where are you getting this from? And when did Doomsday become the Flash? Fast enough to cover distance before someone can react?
But see his fight with DS.
And Doomsday is FASTER than the Flash, remember? Canon writing.
Originally posted by carver9
Nope, it's a sometimer fight. I have seen plenty of people here say Surfer, Thor, etc... doesn't fight a certain way. It's all based on the characters you're debating. You keep mentioning Superman being smart but in comics, he get punched all of the time by people on Grundy level. Why is Thor a bad example but other people isnt?
Because when did Thor display super intelligence? Odinson, obv.
Am happy to be educated on Thor's intelligence.
Not sure why you're suddenly throwing all these characters around. Are we still on for Magneto vs Hulk, no BFR?
Why wouldn't you debate Phildo? He's using canon scans to back his case up, surely. All of Magnetos various showings. You've already answered, because you think he'll win.
But based on showings, surely Hulk would win? Surely? A mere Low Herald?
You also haven't answered my multiple askings. Who has Tony beaten with prep? With new weapons/armour?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Scans are used to back up powerset.Example:
Argument: Luke cage is super strong. That's his powerset.
Full potential means he can use his full strength.
Does this mean he's lifting infinity/solar masses/planets? No.
Why?
Comic showings.
But we cannot deny he has super strength. No one is saying he has no limits. But he is very strong.
What about that time he failed to lift XYZ, when ten issues later he was able to cause earthquakes with his punches? And can lift ABC?
Well, the time he struggled with XYZ, is PIS, and we ignore it.
Here, in this thread. Is Reed clever? Yes. Clever enough to defeat the Hulk? I argue yes.
What about that time he failed to defeat Hulk, when X issues later he was able to solve world hunger/whatever?
Well, the time he struggled with the Hull, is PIS, and we ignore it.
Gotcha. I have every single right to say Thor throws Doomsday into the sun 10/10 without getting a scratch.
Surfer continuously blast Superman with red sun radiation while creating black holes around Supes for the majority.
Thor bfrs Darkseid for the majority of hits him with a Chaos King destroying blast.
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. I have every single right to say Thor throws Doomsday into the sun 10/10 without getting a scratch.Surfer continuously blast Superman with red sun radiation while creating black holes around Supes for the majority.
Thor bfrs Darkseid for the majority of hits him with a Chaos King destroying blast.
Thor needs to be near the sun (on Asgard), with the chains of Fenrir first. Was that standard equipment? I don't think so.
Fail.
Superman just punches Surfer. You've forgotten speed. Or whistles.
Fail.
Darkseid comes back via Boom Tube, then goes full form, dwarfing the planet.
Fail.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's not in the thread, right?But see his fight with DS.
And Doomsday is FASTER than the Flash, remember? Canon writing.
Because when did Thor display super intelligence? Odinson, obv.
Am happy to be educated on Thor's intelligence.
Not sure why you're suddenly throwing all these characters around. Are we still on for Magneto vs Hulk, no BFR?
Why wouldn't you debate Phildo? He's using canon scans to back his case up, surely. All of Magnetos various showings. You've already answered, because you think he'll win.
But based on showings, surely Hulk would win? Surely? A mere Low Herald?
You also haven't answered my multiple askings. Who has Tony beaten with prep? With new weapons/armour?
So Doomsday can evacuate a city before a nuke touch anyone in that city?
He doesn't need super intelligence to use an attack "he already used on multiple occasion". If he has bfred someone before then that means he is capable of doing it again.
We've discussed this already... I'm not doing a Magneto vs Hulk BZ. Stop acting creepy. Now please answer the questions above.
Originally posted by carver9
So Doomsday can evacuate a city before a nuke touch anyone in that city?He doesn't need super intelligence to use an attack "he already used on multiple occasion". If he has bfred someone before then that means he is capable of doing it again.
We've discussed this already... I'm not doing a Magneto vs Hulk BZ. Stop acting creepy. Now please answer the questions above.
You haven't even answred mine lol.
Who has Tony beaten with prep and weaponry/armour?
This was the original question that started all of this off.
He is capable but he's slow (hello Wolverine! Spiderman! Mongoose!). By the time he thinks to do it, DD is on him, smashing away with poison claws.
DD doesn't need to be Flash level, nor does he need to evacuate cities lol. You're horrible at this debating.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thor needs to be near the sun (on Asgard), with the chains of Fenrir first. Was that standard equipment? I don't think so.Fail.
Superman just punches Surfer. You've forgotten speed. Or whistles.
Fail.
Darkseid comes back via Boom Tube, then goes full form, dwarfing the planet.
Fail.
😐 where are you getting that Thor needs anything (besides Mjlonir) to transport someone to any place?
No one on KMC minus Superman fans would say Superman would take Surfer out before he had the chance to react.
He's bfred long enough for the win.
Originally posted by carver9
😐 where are you getting that Thor needs anything (besides Mjlonir) to transport someone to any place?No one on KMC minus Superman fans would say Superman would take Surfer out before he had the chance to react.
He's bfred long enough for the win.
How would he throw someone without getting a scratch?
Lol. Surfer's reaction speeds, please?
Lol. How long does it take to instantaneously boom tube around?
Please go away and read forum rules. Learn what BFR conditions are.