Originally posted by BackFire
Peterson did an AMA (Ask me anything) on reddit earlier today. Answered a lot of questions, some of which were interesting.Figured I'd post it here for those interested.
Reading that gave me cancer. Reddit is too full of leftist children. That's the wrong place for Jordan Peterson to post.
Nazism and Hitler were not "religious." He was antiChristian at best and stoutly antitheistic in reality. At worst, he was so antitheistic that he killed people for it. The very fact that redditors were shitting themselves over Peterson's remarks about how antitheistic Nazis were is telling of the type of idiocy reddit can be. A leftist echochamber where post after post and comment after comment is pro-Democrat and anti-GOP/Anti-Trump.
I stopped reading when I got to the part were Peterson cautioned about the pay gap because it might be harmful to blame gender inequality of outcomes on gender discrimination. Then when they ask him for evidence, he provides a study, the next upvoted comment (in the hundreds) says "you can't just cherry pick your studies!"
These pieces of shit...
How do you reason with retards like these?
Also, Peterson does his typical word-salads in the responses, too. I try to be critical of his word salads but when I pick his words apart and try to convey the same messages he does while retaining all the nuance of his message, I end up using more words. So I cannot necessarily say he is using too many words...it's just not typical speech for most people but it IS typical speech for a profession in Psychology or History: this is exactly how they write and talk all the time. It's from decades of having to write and talk just like that for studies, publishings, and Professorships.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Reading that gave me cancer. Reddit is too full of leftist children. That's the wrong place for Jordan Peterson to post.Nazism and Hitler were not "religious." He was antiChristian at best and stoutly antitheistic in reality. At worst, he was so antitheistic that he killed people for it. The very fact that redditors were shitting themselves over Peterson's remarks about how antitheistic Nazis were is telling of the type of idiocy reddit can be. A leftist echochamber where post after post and comment after comment is pro-Democrat and anti-GOP/Anti-Trump.
I stopped reading when I got to the part were Peterson cautioned about the pay gap because it might be harmful to blame gender inequality of outcomes on gender discrimination. Then when they ask him for evidence, he provides a study, the next upvoted comment (in the hundreds) says "you can't just cherry pick your studies!"
These pieces of shit...
How do you reason with retards like these?
Also, Peterson does his typical word-salads in the responses, too. I try to be critical of his word salads but when I pick his words apart and try to convey the same messages he does while retaining all the nuance of his message, I end up using more words. So I cannot necessarily say he is using too many words...it's just not typical speech for most people but it IS typical speech for a profession in Psychology or History: this is exactly how they write and talk all the time. It's from decades of having to write and talk just like that for studies, publishings, and Professorships.
SJW's hate when you destroy their talking points. Especially when it comes to the wage gap.
And given the people they label nazis, does it surprise you they don't know shit about Hitler or the nazis?
Pfft, tell me about it. Just look:
An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @barackobama's birth certificate is a fraud. -Actual lunatic in this country
How amazing, the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama's "birth certificate" died in plane crash today. All others lived. -Actual lunatic in this country
He doesn't have a birth certificate, or if he does, there's something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me -- and I have no idea if this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be -- that where it says 'religion,' it might have 'Muslim.' And if you're a Muslim, you don't change your religion, by the way." -Actual lunatic in this country
"I have people that have been studying [Obama's birth certificate] and they cannot believe what they're finding ... I would like to have him show his birth certificate, and can I be honest with you, I hope he can. Because if he can't, if he can't, if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility ... then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics." -Actual lunatic in this country
"Was it a birth certificate? You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I'm saying I don't know. Nobody knows." Actual lunatic in this country
Lunacy, indeed.
Originally posted by Robtard
Pfft, tell me about it. Just look:An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @barackobama's birth certificate is a fraud. -Actual lunatics in this country
How amazing, the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama's "birth certificate" died in plane crash today. All others lived. -Actual lunatics in this country
He doesn't have a birth certificate, or if he does, there's something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me -- and I have no idea if this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be -- that where it says 'religion,' it might have 'Muslim.' And if you're a Muslim, you don't change your religion, by the way." -Actual lunatics in this country
Lunacy, indeed.
Didn't I do a forensic analysis of Obama's birth certificate for KMC back in the day? I could not find much evidence of "artifact repetition" which indicates a photoshopping. It looked genuine, from what I could tell. But I did find a few anomalies that could point to it being photoshopping in some places. I am not convinced, due to my own expert opinion (legit expert opinion), that the birth certificate was untouched and undoctored. Someone pointed out to me that it may have been part of the digitization process that caused some of those artifacts I was seeing and I 50% concede that point.
I am not a birther but the birth certificate is not 100% undoctored.
It was looked into and looked into some more. If it's faked, then there was a concentrated effort on both sides to hide it and to get Obama elected.
I don't buy that, the more reasonable thing is that Obama is US born and that's that. Just like it turned out he wasn't a secret Muslim whose goal was to implement Sharia Law after he declared Marshall Law to instill himself as Forever Emperor.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Reading that gave me cancer. Reddit is too full of leftist children. That's the wrong place for Jordan Peterson to post.Nazism and Hitler were not "religious." He was antiChristian at best and stoutly antitheistic in reality. At worst, he was so antitheistic that he killed people for it. The very fact that redditors were shitting themselves over Peterson's remarks about how antitheistic Nazis were is telling of the type of idiocy reddit can be. A leftist echochamber where post after post and comment after comment is pro-Democrat and anti-GOP/Anti-Trump.
I stopped reading when I got to the part were Peterson cautioned about the pay gap because it might be harmful to blame gender inequality of outcomes on gender discrimination. Then when they ask him for evidence, he provides a study, the next upvoted comment (in the hundreds) says "you can't just cherry pick your studies!"
These pieces of shit...
How do you reason with retards like these?
Also, Peterson does his typical word-salads in the responses, too. I try to be critical of his word salads but when I pick his words apart and try to convey the same messages he does while retaining all the nuance of his message, I end up using more words. So I cannot necessarily say he is using too many words...it's just not typical speech for most people but it IS typical speech for a profession in Psychology or History: this is exactly how they write and talk all the time. It's from decades of having to write and talk just like that for studies, publishings, and Professorships.
Should scroll down more. General rule of thumb for those AMA's (and popular/controversial reddit posts in general) is that the top several comment strings are generally part of whatever hivemind group brigaded that thread first. Scroll down a bit and you'll find better and more interesting conversations happening, and less of an echo chamber effect happening.
Originally posted by Robtard
It was looked into and looked into some more. If it's faked, then there was a concentrated effort on both sides to hide it and to get Obama elected.I don't buy that, the more reasonable thing is that Obama is US born and that's that. Just like it turned out he wasn't a secret Muslim whose goal was to implement Sharia Law after he declared Marshall Law to instill himself as Forever Emperor.
Then I suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect. I really don't trust anyone else to conduct a digital forensic investigation into something when I can just do it myself which is why I did it.
Remember when the IRS lost data and I called bullshit that they would have to use special erasing tools to truly remove the data because I could easily recover that data? Meaning, the IRS would have to have purposefully erased the hard drives with the specific intent to destroy data (5 passes, for example).
Also, remember the Facebook password security problem they had years ago? And then they said they fixed it and had HTTPS enabled by default? Turns out, they didn't. In my own original research I did for one of my degrees, I discovered that they were still transmitting passwords in near-decipherable ways. I setup a network sniffer and captured traffic and isolated Facebook password login attempts.
Here's what Facebook did to "improve" security:
1. They reversed the password text.
2. Translated each character into hexidecimal (known as a transformation).
3. Substituted numbers and special characters for other characters (know as substitution).
I was able to reverse their method and capture passwords. And to get a passing grade (if you didn't do this next step, you got a 50% even if you had the most groundbreaking research in cybersecurity), I had to notify Facebook that I "reverse engineered" their password security and how I did it so they could patch it. I want to say this was in 2012 or 2013. Facebook never responded so I didn't have to sign an NDA that said I could not discuss this...but looking back, they probably should have made me sign an NDA because I could have just posted all over the net how to sniff passwords on wi-fi networks.
When I tell you there were anomalies commensurate of digital modification of an image, it's legit. It happened. And anyone who disagrees with me is either incompetent, lying, or has a third set of knowledge that explains the anomalies. Anyone else who says they are a digital forensics expert who "reviewed" the birth certificate and concluded that it was not digitally altered is full of shit. By the very fundamental nature of the birth certificate needing to be digitized, there will automatically be artifacts that can often determine the make and model of the scanner itself and that's not getting into the anomalies that are indicative of digital alterations.
I just did the equivalent of geek chest-thumping on the internet which is douchy but I'm not sorry. estahuh
Originally posted by BackFire
Should scroll down more. General rule of thumb for those AMA's (and popular/controversial reddit posts in general) is that the top several comment strings are generally part of whatever hivemind group brigaded that thread first. Scroll down a bit and you'll find better and more interesting conversations happening, and less of an echo chamber effect happening.
Thanks. I'll stop being such a baby, then, and read more.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Thanks. I'll stop being such a baby, then, and read more.
Nah I don't blame you, reddit is too popular for its own good and the upvote/downvote methodology can make it very hard to find good conversations beyond the echo chambers that are going on at any given time. Particularly when it comes to politics.
I mostly just go there for funny memes, and hockey, gaming, movie, and TV news, and other things for my own entertainment. And sometimes an "askreddit" thread will be a gold mine. Other than that the place can be a cesspool.
Originally posted by Robtard
Do you believe in "enforced monogamy", Surt?
Originally posted by Robtard
Jordan Peterson, Custodian of the PatriarchyMy favorite part:
Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners. Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.
"He was angry at God because women were rejecting him," Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. "The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That's actually why monogamy emerges." -snip
😂 How bout no? How about we don't [b]"enforce"
monogamy and let people have a right to both their own bodies and sex. How about it's not society's burden to help incels get married so they can finally get laid. What a clownshow; no wonder this guy is the hero of the Male Rights Activist. [/B]
Originally Posted by Emperordmb
Well, here's an end to the enforced monogamy argument from Jordan Peterson himself"So, let’s summarize. Men get frustrated when they are not competitive in the sexual marketplace (note: the fact that they DO get frustrated does not mean that they SHOULD get frustrated. Pointing out the existence of something is not the same as justifying its existence). Frustrated men tend to become dangerous, particularly if they are young. The dangerousness of frustrated young men (even if that frustration stems from their own incompetence) has to be regulated socially. The manifold social conventions tilting most societies toward monogamy constitute such regulation.
That’s all.
No recommendation of police-state assignation of woman to man (or, for that matter, man to woman).
No arbitrary dealing out of damsels to incels.
Nothing scandalous (all innuendo and suggestive editing to the contrary)
Just the plain, bare, common-sense facts: socially-enforced monogamous conventions decrease male violence. In addition (and not trivially) they also help provide mothers with comparatively reliable male partners, and increase the probability that stable, father-intact homes will exist for children."
You. Were. Wrong. Peterson was obviously not arguing for the government to control people's sexual behavior or enforce the distribution of women to men as sexual partners. This shitty slanderous argument against him is at it's end.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Then I suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect. I really don't trust anyone else to conduct a digital forensic investigation into something when I can just do it myself which is why I did it.Remember when the IRS lost data and I called bullshit that they would have to use special erasing tools to truly remove the data because I could easily recover that data? Meaning, the IRS would have to have purposefully erased the hard drives with the specific intent to destroy data (5 passes, for example).
Also, remember the Facebook password security problem they had years ago? And then they said they fixed it and had HTTPS enabled by default? Turns out, they didn't. In my own original research I did for one of my degrees, I discovered that they were still transmitting passwords in near-decipherable ways. I setup a network sniffer and captured traffic and isolated Facebook password login attempts.
Here's what Facebook did to "improve" security:
1. They reversed the password text.
2. Translated each character into hexidecimal (known as a transformation).
3. Substituted numbers and special characters for other characters (know as substitution).I was able to reverse their method and capture passwords. And to get a passing grade (if you didn't do this next step, you got a 50% even if you had the most groundbreaking research in cybersecurity), I had to notify Facebook that I "reverse engineered" their password security and how I did it so they could patch it. I want to say this was in 2012 or 2013. Facebook never responded so I didn't have to sign an NDA that said I could not discuss this...but looking back, they probably should have made me sign an NDA because I could have just posted all over the net how to sniff passwords on wi-fi networks.
When I tell you there were anomalies commensurate of digital modification of an image, it's legit. It happened. And anyone who disagrees with me is either incompetent, lying, or has a third set of knowledge that explains the anomalies. Anyone else who says they are a digital forensics expert who "reviewed" the birth certificate and concluded that it was not digitally altered is full of shit. By the very fundamental nature of the birth certificate needing to be digitized, there will automatically be artifacts that can often determine the make and model of the scanner itself and that's not getting into the anomalies that are indicative of digital alterations.
I just did the equivalent of geek chest-thumping on the internet which is douchy but I'm not sorry. estahuh
Damn lol.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Then I suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect. I really don't trust anyone else to conduct a digital forensic investigation into something when I can just do it myself which is why I did it.Remember when the IRS lost data and I called bullshit that they would have to use special erasing tools to truly remove the data because I could easily recover that data? Meaning, the IRS would have to have purposefully erased the hard drives with the specific intent to destroy data (5 passes, for example).
Also, remember the Facebook password security problem they had years ago? And then they said they fixed it and had HTTPS enabled by default? Turns out, they didn't. In my own original research I did for one of my degrees, I discovered that they were still transmitting passwords in near-decipherable ways. I setup a network sniffer and captured traffic and isolated Facebook password login attempts.
Here's what Facebook did to "improve" security:
1. They reversed the password text.
2. Translated each character into hexidecimal (known as a transformation).
3. Substituted numbers and special characters for other characters (know as substitution).I was able to reverse their method and capture passwords. And to get a passing grade (if you didn't do this next step, you got a 50% even if you had the most groundbreaking research in cybersecurity), I had to notify Facebook that I "reverse engineered" their password security and how I did it so they could patch it. I want to say this was in 2012 or 2013. Facebook never responded so I didn't have to sign an NDA that said I could not discuss this...but looking back, they probably should have made me sign an NDA because I could have just posted all over the net how to sniff passwords on wi-fi networks.
When I tell you there were anomalies commensurate of digital modification of an image, it's legit. It happened. And anyone who disagrees with me is either incompetent, lying, or has a third set of knowledge that explains the anomalies. Anyone else who says they are a digital forensics expert who "reviewed" the birth certificate and concluded that it was not digitally altered is full of shit. By the very fundamental nature of the birth certificate needing to be digitized, there will automatically be artifacts that can often determine the make and model of the scanner itself and that's not getting into the anomalies that are indicative of digital alterations.
I just did the equivalent of geek chest-thumping on the internet which is douchy but I'm not sorry. estahuh
In regards to the BC, I think the consensus form the reviewers, both laymen (whatever politician) and professional is that it's real and Obama wasn't born in Kenya; which was to some(and still is to retards) the point on contention. Not that that some transference anomalies happened when it went from paper to computer.
You're not a birther though, that's good enough for me 👆
Originally posted by Emperordmb
With the update: he's now arguing that the regulation that needs to be done in his mind, is already done with society's push towards monogamy (which is funny, as some argue the reverse and why we're falling apart and what not). So what's his point/the issue if what apparently needs to be done is already done? Sounds like he's talking just to hear his own voice.
Originally posted by Robtard
With the update: he's now arguing that the regulation that needs to be done in his mind, is already done with society's push towards monogamy (which is funny, as some argue the reverse and why we're falling apart and what not). So what's his point/the issue if what apparently needs to be done is already done? Sounds like he's talking just to hear his own voice.
Also just to clarify, even if I agreed with you 100% on the criticism you just made, if Peterson is guilty of that that's a hell of a step down from being guilty of saying the government should distribute women as sexual partners to needy men. You can still find fault with his statement, and personally I agree with what he's actually saying, but even if you do find fault with it it's not even half as egregious or "clownshowish" as what he was originally being accused of.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
The point is that it's a social convention that still exists but has been eroded in recent years to the detriment of society. It's a question of degree of prominence in the culture not whether or not it exists at all.Also just to clarify, even if I agreed with you 100% on the criticism you just made, if Peterson is guilty of that that's a hell of a step down from being guilty of saying the government should distribute women as sexual partners to needy men. You can still find fault with his statement, and personally I agree with what he's actually saying, but even if you do find fault with it it's not even half as egregious or "clownshowish" as what he was originally being accused of.
They have to find something to make him guilty of.
Originally posted by EmperordmbI don't believe I accused Peterson of that? That's something the incel-verse and dudebro types believes and unfortunately for him, they see him as a prophet. But you can't always pick your followers. I will say he does skirt a bit to close to the 'back in the 50's where everything was great and women knew their place and men were men...' type of mindset for my taste though. Archaic and fanciful nonsense, imo.
The point is that it's a social convention that still exists but has been eroded in recent years to the detriment of society. It's a question of degree of prominence in the culture not whether or not it exists at all.Also just to clarify, even if I agreed with you 100% on the criticism you just made, if Peterson is guilty of that that's a hell of a step down from being guilty of saying the government should distribute women as sexual partners to needy men. You can still find fault with his statement, and personally I agree with what he's actually saying, but even if you do find fault with it it's not even half as egregious or "clownshowish" as what he was originally being accused of.
My "clownish" response was to the "enforced" aspect; nothing about distributing women like cattle, which he clarified in the quote you provided.
edit: Though in regards to "degree of prominence", if the argument is "we need more of it" now, then he is an a roundabout way pushing for regulation/enforcement.
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't believe I accused Peterson of that? That's something the incel-verse and dudebro types believes and unfortunately for him, they see him as a prophet. But you can't always pick your followers.
Originally posted by Robtard
I will say he does skirt a bit to close to the 'back in the 50's where everything was great and women knew their place and men were men...' type of mindset for my taste though. Archaic and fanciful nonsense, imo.
Originally posted by Robtard
My "clownish" response was to the "enforced" aspect; nothing about distributing women like cattle, which he clarified in the quote you provided.edit: Though in regards to "degree of prominence", if the argument is "we need more of it" now, then he is an a roundabout way pushing for regulation/enforcement.