Rebirth Superman vs. Thor

Started by celeyhyga1713 pages

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, it destroyed a small hill, very good collateral damage . But I guess earth shaking and sun hiding his face are perfectly normal situations in this kind of fight.

You're basically taking something which is not written as a feat, an actual feat.


If u take it at face value, Thor and Jormugand were shaking multiple universes/dimensions. But u know... I'm fine with just making the planet shiver.
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Also after reading your reply to Rage, I'm certain the point is completely flying over your head.

Just felt like posting that, lol.

We might not even see Draxista in GotG 3 🙁

This is the feat in question...and just from the dialogue, I'm...not sure.

Idk if it just one of those scenes where Bendis clearly intends to have the whole realm shake, or it ends at Earthquakes in the distance. /shrug

It just feels like theres a lot of scenes like these that dont equate to much. Even with Superman thinking all eyes are on the fight.

/shrug.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Besides that Supes said earlier that he could destroy the whole dimension if he really wanted to.

Then theres that. So it's starting to feel like maybe that's exactly what Bendis is going for....meh.

Was that confirmed if it was Doomsday that Rogol trashed in the piss zone?

The phantom zone trembles under the WEIGHT of this fight. It just doesn't sound like what they are trying to make it out to be.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Originally posted by carver9
The phantom zone trembles under the WEIGHT of this fight. It just doesn't sound like what they are trying to make it out to be.

Unlike your scan right?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Pay attention kids, this is why never do meth.

I asked where did Thor or Serpent struck Yggdrasil for it to shake. Of are you thick enough to not even understand that?

So I guess Sun hid its face too?

Seriously, Thorbags are most delusional people out there.

I laughed out loud.

Thorbags will soon be posting poetry as feats for Thor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Unlike your scan right?

Right.

Did you honestly not know the context behind the scan?

So I said "right" and we are still discussing this?

Question, can Superman scenes see infinity because its him talking, not a narrator.

Originally posted by carver9
So I said "right" and we are still discussing this?

Yes, we are, as it's symptomatic of your usual methods.

If you just post things and take things out of context, why can't you just take this Supes showing at face value? You took Hulk's at face value, after all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, we are, as it's symptomatic of your usual methods.

If you just post things and take things out of context, why can't you just take this Supes showing at face value? You took Hulk's at face value, after all.

I've never mentioned showings like that as concrete evidence for Hulks abilities. Why would I? It's like me using Red Hulk saying Hulk is the most powerful being in existence when we know he haven't met everyone. I never knew Superman vision is capable of seeing infinity?

LMAOO carver..........jesus christ.

why dont you address those hulk scans a few pages back

I'll just play Devils advocate here. Debating this will largely always end into semantics. Grammar can be at hand hugely here. Remember I'm not stating a view here I'm just running through each point.

1. You could say that the only way Superman knows that the entire Zone is in trouble is because he can hear across a dimension that is seemingly boundless. Which if seen that way would also imply his abilities to hear things is basically incalculable across any distance.

If that is the opposite and he can't hear that far (which wasn't 100% clarified) then you could say Superman is making an assumption which if you wanted to you could say is based on a well thought intuition.

2. On the other hand you could say that the scan itself says "Every creature must have been alerted to this". In language this doesn't mean they did definitely, it just implies that Superman thinks the battle is raging so much that everything inside the zone must have been able to hear it.

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He can hear Earthquakes in the distance. The term distance is never clarified further. Saying the zone is trembling again,

Again if we were to assume that the zone was trembling how would we assume this is true. One hypothesis is the fact that in this case Superman can hear across the entire spectrum of the phantom zone. Which is itself a feat that is very impressive. But if that was true then he wouldn't have said "must have been alerted". He would have said "Every creature inside the Zone has been alerted, chaos will further descend on the Phantom Zone".

3. Insomuch as someone might say something like "The world stands with you", "The world stands in amazement" or any other variation of them pithy lines. Nobody actually does know if them things are true. Can they really know if a member of an undiscovered tribe from Papua New Guinea is rooting with lets say Buzz Aldrin to have success. We know that this is in reality hyperbole. But it makes for an extremely impressive statement.

Superman I don't think is being hyperbolic. There would be little point in doing so, But if he is not being hyperbolic does it mean that the entire Phantom Zone is therefore trembling? Put simply it doesn't, even if you are on the side that believes that to be fact. It doesn't give you a concrete answer, one might want to say it is a reasonable assumption based on what he can hear, feel (vibrations etc.)

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Like I say there isn't really a way for anyone to be 100%. I don't think Bendis was deliberately trying to write the story to be clandestine except to only a few people who are initiated who "know the truth". Nobody knows the 100% truth.

The only way you will know is if someone contacts Bendis and asks him. Like the time when I asked Dan Jurgens if Superman had flown from the edge of the Universe back to Earth or just from Saturn back to Earth if anyone remembers that. And it was revealed that he did in fact fly from the edge of the Universe.

You really need to contact Bendis to find out the the exact truth. Because it isn't a definite statement either way. Not intentionally made to be vague. It is just as it would be any humans interpretation of an event that they are thinking of. If it had been Morrison writing it he would have worded it differently. If it was Jurgens he would have worded it differently. For better or for worse. Which you would then be met with the same hypothesis. Ultimately comics aren't created for battleboards (not saying anyone said that), they aren't going to say "This fight made the whole phantom zone tremble because of how powerful we all are". Because it would sound like a robot talking (which Bendis has been guilty of doing in the past). Like in a lot of poetry things are written often in flowery language. This is just a regular version of that.

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This portion of the feat was hella flowery though and quite poetic if I may add.

"The phantom zone trembles under the weight of this fight."

Nothing wrong with poetic. It gives it an epic feel.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Pay attention kids, this is why never do meth.

I asked where did Thor or Serpent struck Yggdrasil for it to shake. Of are you thick enough to not even understand that?

So I guess Sun hid its face too?

Seriously, Thorbags are most delusional people out there.

What are you even saying here?

They never struck the World Tree. They shook the World Tree and the Nine Worlds as the aftereffect of their fight, which is why I posted it.

So....it doesn't count because it's poetic dialogue now, is what you're arguing right? Okay.

So we've gone from:

1) It's not as impressive.
2) It's not what happened.
3) It doesn't count.

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This is progress. We've reach the last stage of denial.

Walter Simonson's run is arguably one of the most iconic in all of comic book history, which included an overweight Balder overcoming his demons, Thor turned into a frog in NYC, Volstagg adopting Midgardian children and being a wonderful father, and Thor facing Ragnarok. It was probably the most metaphorically diverse, weird but straight forward Thor runs, which is saying something. But Thor shaking the Nine Worlds with his hammer blow doesn't count because...it was written in a poetic script instead of boring monotonous Bendis speak?

😂 I'll take the former over the latter any day. What a clown.