Juggernaut vs. MCU Destroyer

Originally posted by FrothByte
IIRC, Colossus didn't so much catch that bus as he redirected and pushed it over his head. Still, it's a valid feat. Best one he has other than throwing a big tire. Now let's get to Lady Sif's strength feats.

She chucked a trailer (roughly the size of that bus) sideways and against friction with just a push of her foot. A casual palm thrust from her sends a full grown man flying a couple dozen meters through the air. And I assume being an elite Asgardian that she's at least as strong as the Asgardian farmer in AoS that easily crumpled a tactical knife in his hand.

Like I said, Sif has feats that put her within Colossus' strength range and Colossus was strong enough to hurt Juggernaut.

Not that she'd beat Destroyer either. The only reason she did somewhat well there was how nimble she was and how slow Destroyer was. Colossus isn't slow. He was in the first movie, but his brawl with Juggs had them both sending out flurries of punches to each other and mixed in successful blocks. It was a good showing, even if he ended up getting whooped.

Originally posted by FrothByte
^ Chucked a trailer with a push of her foot. Casually palmed a grown man a few dozen meters through the air. What better strength feats does Colossus have?

Colossus threw a huge ass tire very far and very fast. It sent two men flying and still kept going.
Punched Angel Dust many feet away (it takes far more force to punch something away than to throw it away).

Destroyer basically hit one of the warriors three back some feet and that’s it.

Originally posted by K-Dog
Juggernaut was probably 2X colossus overall in a fight, and would be less than that if he didn't have his helmet, which Colossus kept punching and kicking for some reason....Thor's hammer throw at the Destroyer didn't leave a scratch (neither will Juggernaut's hits)...Thor knew he had to take a different approach...Juggernaut does not have another approach. It took multiple mutants and energies to briefly take him down, but that Destroyer beam is a different category.

Vaporizing beings who are maybe 1/3 Colossus or so, Juggernaut isn't more durable than Colossus per unit size, he would be hurt by the beam, and killed with a few strikes or less. Juggernaut strikes will knock the Destroyer back a bit but not hurt it, at least not fast enough to avoid the beam. His helmet seems PIS durable, so maybe he can charge it head-first and deflect the beam a couple of times? But he won't win.

That is just crapp!

Two strikes from Mjolnir were enough to put down Destroyer! And Thor wasn't even hitting hard! He just threw Mjolnir at the Destroyer!

Juggernaut is hell more durable than Frost Giants.

Juggernaut is hell more strong than Destroyer

Juggernaut at least has fighting skills, where as Destroyer has none.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. Bring Evidence that Destroyer can swing a Bus

Spoiler:
the way Juggernaut did.

2. Bring Evidence that Destroyer has fightning skills (Cause he doesn't).

Juggernaut>>>>Destroyer.

The one not bringing evidence here is you. You are going by the branches.

1. I brought evidence that someone who can chuck a bus is ineffective against the Destroyer.

2. I brought evidence that someone more skilled than Colossus was ineffective against the Destroyer.

Now, how bout you bring evidence that:

3. Juggernaut can withstand the Destroyer's beam
4. Juggernaut can actually hurt the Destroyer... especially when even getting run through with a spear did nothing to it or a hammer throw from Thor did nothing to it.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
She didn't really chuck that trailer. Yeah she kicked it and slid it some distance, but I wouldn't say that's as good as Colossus smacking aside an airborne bus into the side of a building. Sif isn't in Colossus' range strength wise and she wouldn't beat Colossus in a fight.

Not that she'd beat Destroyer either. The only reason she did somewhat well there was how nimble she was and how slow Destroyer was. Colossus isn't slow. He was in the first movie, but his brawl with Juggs had them both sending out flurries of punches to each other and mixed in successful blocks. It was a good showing, even if he ended up getting whooped.

Sif kicking the trailer and getting it to slide AGAINST it's wheels and against friction a good distance is just as impressive as Colossus redirecting the bus. Especially when you consider that she didn't really struggle to do so.

To be fair, I don't think she'll win against Colossus in pure h2h, but it will be close enough that Colossus will be extremely hard pressed. Probably will go somewhere like his fight against Angel Dust.

Juggernaut:

Spoiler:

- Swung a bus like if it was nothing and demolished a bridge along with an armor TRAILER with no dificulty.

- Tanked machine gun bullets and Cable's weapons like if they were nothing.
Survived getting plugged to a power line and thrown into a pool. Survived not getting drowned in the pool

- Managed to put up a descent fight against a no-holding-back Colossus.

Destroyer:

- Slow as shit

- No fighting skills or fighting feats

Conclusion: Juggernaut wins.

-He got better feats in every area!

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sif kicking the trailer and getting it to slide AGAINST it's wheels and against friction a good distance is just as impressive as Colossus redirecting the bus. Especially when you consider that she didn't really struggle to do so.

To be fair, I don't think she'll win against Colossus in pure h2h, but it will be close enough that Colossus will be extremely hard pressed. Probably will go somewhere like his fight against Angel Dust.

Read my above post. Sif doesn't have enough feats to contest Juggernaut buddy.

Sif would get whooped in a h2h fight against juggernaut

Originally posted by h1a8
Sif would get whooped in a h2h fight against juggernaut

What does that have to do with anything?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Read my above post. Sif doesn't have enough feats to contest Juggernaut buddy.

And I never said she could. Logic dude, use it. I can't keep connecting the dots for you.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sif kicking the trailer and getting it to slide AGAINST it's wheels and against friction a good distance is just as impressive as Colossus redirecting the bus. Especially when you consider that she didn't really struggle to do so.

To be fair, I don't think she'll win against Colossus in pure h2h, but it will be close enough that Colossus will be extremely hard pressed. Probably will go somewhere like his fight against Angel Dust.

Colossus has better durability feats too. He tanked Negasonic Teenage Warheads explosion for example and came out of a prolonged beating from Juggs with nothing but a few dents (which is impressive when you consider that a single punch from Juggs absolutely shattered an entire bridge). He's also been shown to be completely bullet proof. A fight between him and Sif would be a flat out stomp IMO. I don't even think Sif would do well against Angel Dust, nevermind someone like Colossus

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Yeah she kicked it against friction, but the majority of its weight is still supported by the ground. It'd be more impressive if she actually picked it up and threw it. For example, pushing a dresser across your room is a lot easier than picking it up and throwing it across your room. That feat doesn't compare to Colossus' bus feat.

Colossus has better durability feats too. He tanked Negasonic Teenage Warheads explosion for example and came out of a prolonged beating from Juggs with nothing but a few dents (which is impressive when you consider that a single punch from Juggs absolutely shattered an entire bridge). He's also been shown to be completely bullet proof. A fight between him and Sif would be a flat out stomp IMO. I don't even think Sif would do well against Angel Dust, nevermind someone like Colossus

I agree that pushing something isn't as impressive as carrying it, but IIRC Colossus didn't actually carry the bus, he simply deflected it... which is easier to do than pushing something while it's at rest against friction.

I have to disagree with your assessment of a fight between Sif and Colossus. If Sif is anywhere near Valkyrie's stats then she's going to put a world of hurt on Colossus whether Colossus wins or loses.

What matters is that Destroyer's beam is going to hurt Juggernaut.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And I never said she could. Logic dude, use it. I can't keep connecting the dots for you.

Juggernaut has better feats, therefore Jugg wins.

No need to go by the branchs and try to avoid what is unavoidable.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I agree that pushing something isn't as impressive as carrying it, but IIRC Colossus didn't actually carry the bus, he simply deflected it... which is easier to do than pushing something while it's at rest against friction.

I have to disagree with your assessment of a fight between Sif and Colossus. If Sif is anywhere near Valkyrie's stats then she's going to put a world of hurt on Colossus whether Colossus wins or loses.

I'll agree to disagree since this thread isn't about Sif or Colossus, but Sif just hasn't shown the ability to put out the kind of damage necessary to hurt Colossus. I don't know how I'd rank Sif vs Valk either, but I wouldn't give them each others feats just because they're both Asgardians. We've seen plenty Asgardians who aren't near as impressive as either of them after all so I think Asgardians have can range. Plus, Valkyries are supposed to be the best warriors Asgard has to offer. I'm not saying Sif cant be one, but it's very possible Valk is more of a threat than she is.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What matters is that Destroyer's beam is going to hurt Juggernaut.

Your biased opinion is respected.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I agree that deflecting it isn't as amazing as throwing it or flat out catching it but you also have to remember that the bus has a lot of momentum which means more weight behind it too. Plus, Colossus was able to near evenly grapple with Juggs. That has to put him somewhat in the same ballpark as Juggs strength wise.

I'll agree to disagree since this thread isn't about Sif or Colossus, but Sif just hasn't shown the ability to put out the kind of damage necessary to hurt Colossus. I don't know how I'd rank Sif vs Valk either, but I wouldn't give them each others feats just because they're both Asgardians. We've seen plenty Asgardians who aren't near as impressive as either of them after all so I think Asgardians have can range. Plus, Valkyries are supposed to be the best warriors Asgard has to offer. I'm not saying Sif cant be one, but it's very possible Valk is more of a threat than she is.

Though there's some variance in physical stats with the Asgardians, it's not such a huge amount. Other than Thor and Hela, none of the other Asgardians seem to have shown such a huge degree of being above others in super strength. There's nothing to indicate that Valkyrie is that far above other Asgardians in strength... yet she's able to jump around spaceships and tear chunks of hull from those spaceships. If Sif is anywhere near as strong (and her feats from AOS indicates that she is) then Colossus is not going to be able to walk all over her. Like I said, even an lowly Asgardian farmer is casually able to bend steel bars, push around cars and crumble tactical knives.

As for deflection, the momentum does add some difficulty but at least it's already a moving object which simply need to redirect the movement of. Not the same as being the one to initiate the movement. For what it's worth, I do think Colossus is strong enough to pick up that bus himself... but in the same way I think Sif was not even struggling when she kicked that trailer, which means she can still do more.

I'm not trying to say that Sif is stronger than Colossus... she can be though I doubt it, but that's not my point. My point is as per feats, Colossus isn't that far off from Sif, and the Destroyer completely disregarded her and 3 other high-end Asgardians whereas Colossus on his own messed up Juggs.

Juggernaut while strong and durable can’t hang with the MCU heavyweights.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Juggernaut while strong and durable can’t hang with the MCU heavyweights.

Can the Destroyer?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Can the Destroyer?