Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor was always class 100
As i said previously, this is false
Namor was never a top tier powerhouse initially like Thor, Hulk or Juggernaut.
He was and arguably still is B list
Powerful but outclassed by the top dawgs 😱
In the 80s he was in the 75 ton range going up to 85 ton range during that decade
class 75
class 85
It wasnt until the 90s that he became class 100:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As i said previously, this is falseNamor was never a top tier powerhouse initially like Thor, Hulk or Juggernaut.
He was and arguably still is B list
Powerful but outclassed by the top dawgs 😱
In the 80s he was in the 75 ton range going up to 85 ton range during that decade
[B]class 75
class 85
It wasnt until the 90s that he became class 100:
Originally posted by abhilegend
The AbominationNamor seems to have him pretty decisively beaten by the end. They look pretty comparable in strength throughout, although towards the end Namor was choking Emil like a ***** and he looked pretty scared of the Avenging Son. Note that this fight starts literally seconds after Namor has just finished fighting the Avengers, including Hercules. Namor #59
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Here the Skrull is disguised as Iron Fist. Namor has been in the raging heat of the Savage Land for over 24 hours so is dehydrated. Namor gets the better of it physically until Kl'rt uses his Invisible Woman power-set. Namor #16
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Not much of a fight in all fairness, but a nice showing as Apoc clearly wanted no part of a submerged Namor. Namor Annual #3
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This is in his villainous days naturally. The fight is pretty even on land, as Namor is quite dehydrated. When the fight moves to the water, Namor utterly wrecks Ares. Avengers #284
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Namor more or less over-loads Shaw with two punches. Uncanny X-Men Annual #2
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Venom gets the drop on Namor and hits him with some special SHIELD tech designed to weaken him. Namor responds by beating the **** out of Venom and ripping his tongue out. Gargan has stalemated Colossus, and the Venom symbiote has taken shots from Hulk and Juggernaut, but he gets mauled here. Revolution #3-4
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/Revolution04d.jpgMaster Kahn
This dude was an extremely powerful sorceror. He was able to easily wipe Namor's mind completely. Shrunk Namor, Doom, a massive ship and millions of tons of sea water down until they were small enough to fit in a bottle. Claimed to have the power to kill Dr Doom like nothing. Namor destroys him easily here. Namor #33
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Namor completely wrecks the android. Avengers #289
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One-shots Sandman and then pwns the Trapster for good measure. ASM #214
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An opponent Namor claims is nearly as strong as the Hulk. Once the fight moves into the water it is over quickly. Namor #2-3
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Attuma has given Namor varying degrees of trouble down the years, but this is what happens when Namor is really serious. Defenders #8
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Fight Two. Hulk is under the control of the Puppet Master. Namor KO's him eventually via whirlpool. TTA #100
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/TalesToAstonish100o.jpgRound 3. For this fight Hulk has been given a drug that allows him to function underwater like an Atlantean. Namor wins by decisive KO. IH #118
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118l.jpgRound 4. This time it's on land. This one doesn't go to a conclusion, but the two look pretty even. Defenders #52
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052h.jpgNamor makes up for it here though, as he utterly and completely wrecks Iron Man. Illuminati One-Shot
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/IlluminatiOne-Shote.jpgFor this fight, Namor is in possession of the Cosmic Cube so he can control the battle-field. However, he is explicitly not amping his physical stats until the end when he wishes to find out who is stronger when both are at full strength. This issue suggests that Namor is stronger underwater, Herc is stronger on land, and when both are at full capacity they are dead even. Avengers #40
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/avengers040e.jpgAnother stalemate with neither displaying a strength edge. Avengers #262
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Avengers262d.jpgNamor takes some big shots from the assembled Avengers before he moves on to a one-on-one with Hercules. The two combatant's dialogue seems to suggest that Namor is the stronger of the two underwater. He then goes on to punk Crystal. Namor #58
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor has to fight a blood-lusted Thor here and manages a stalemate before the fight is interrupted. Namor seems dominant when the fight briefly goes underwater. Atlantis Rising #1
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AtlantisRising01f.jpgWe've seen a bloodlusted Thor KILL Thing with one hammer shot. Here he suckers Namor and Namor still gains upper hand underwater.
Black Bolt
Namor fights Black Bolt to a stand-still on land. FF #402
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/FantasticFour402e.jpgThe Sentry
This is the only true one-on-one fight they have had, though they mixed it up a bit in Avengers/Invaders (check "The Avengers" section below). The Avenging Son doesn't make much offensive head-way but Sentry is in a pretty nutty mood and the writer seemed to really respect him so Namor taking this brutal pounding and being more or less completely unharmed is a good showing. X-Men Exodus
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/X-MenExodusb.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/X-MenExodusc.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/X-MenExodusd.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/X-MenExoduse.jpgThe Avengers
Here are Namor's contributions to the group fight in Avengers/Invaders. He exchanges blows pretty evenly with Sentry (who mysteriously disappears half way through the fight) and then man-handles Wonder Man and Ares completely. Avengers/Invaders #2
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02c.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02d.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02e.jpgThe Thunderbolts
Another group fight here. Namor's contributions include punching out Radioactive Man and utterly destroying Penance. Avengers/Invaders #1
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders01a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders01b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders01c.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders01d.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders01e.jpg😂
He manhandled Simon and Ares like they were his bitches. Thing wishes he was as strong as Namor.
Re: Strength rankings
Originally posted by Damborgson
If Classic Thor is 100Where do these characters stand ?
Iron Man
Spiderman
Namor
Luke Cage
The Thing
Colossus
She Hulk
We will do percentages.
And we will assume these characters are doing a test of strength in a comic.
Iron Man = 70
Spider-Man = 15
Namor = 90
Luke Cage =50
The Thing = 90
Colossus = 90
She Hulk = 80
If we go by highest feats only then
All characters (except Namor) would be under 1%.
In all honesty, writer's (especially those of the past) have no clue of how much force certain feats take. That's why we got a lot of contradictions. Namor has some feats above 100 tons and yet Thing can beat him sometimes (or fight him as peers all the time).
Colossus going toe to toe with Gladiator (it's Canon).
Marvell going toe to toe with Drax
Spider-Man putting a hurting on beings well outside his strength tier.
I can go one and on.
this is exactly why i lost my faith in numbers. they mean nothing. bio's to me mean nothing. i care about feats. show me them feats and then we can talk. captain america has clear super human feats but everybody treat him as "peak human" because of some old bio. same thing with everybody fap to superman 1 million, the no feat guy because the bio says he is a superman among supermans.
Originally posted by h1a8looks descent.
We will do percentages.
And we will assume these characters are doing a test of strength in a comic.Iron Man = 70
Spider-Man = 15
Namor = 90
Luke Cage =50
The Thing = 90
Colossus = 90
She Hulk = 80If we go by highest feats only then
All characters (except Namor) would be under 1%.
